Let me preface this by saying: I'm not taking any side in the argument, I enjoy FO4 for what it is, there's a whole hell of a lot that could be better, but it is entertaining. That said, while I frequently lurk around here, I had to join just to comment on the quoted section, arguments like this are beyond frustrating. You cannot, at all, full stop, gauge someone's intelligence from what they enjoy; acting intellectually superior because of what video game you enjoy is like feeling athletically superior because you enjoy watching sports more than someone else - in other words, pure bullshit. I mean, c'mon, even if this held water, you aren't comparing Finnegan's Wake to Goosebumps; let's be serious here, while early Fallouts may be profoundly more sophisticated, relatively speaking, than modern incarnations, they are not profoundly sophisticated artifacts of culture on their own. Moreover, plenty of intelligent people enjoy all sorts of low brow things; why wouldn't they, those things are, after all, cheap, easy fun. On the other hand, the type of people that eschew mindless fun tend to be middling, more than anything -- just smart enough to feel smug, far too stupid to realize none of us is that smart after all. Finally, I am not profoundly smart, not by any means, but I can tell you the ins and outs of large cardinal axioms and the varied beautiful perversity of abstract model theoretic logics, yet I have no problem spending an afternoon watching Family Guy, playing mindless shooters, and enjoying a cheap fantasy novel (the same for most of my colleagues, most of which are far more than my equals). My point isn't, "I'm smart, I like dumb things", my point is, "I'm not an idiot, I enjoy all sorts of things, so do many others -- thus, you just look like an arrogant douche". ----- Since I should be slightly topical: Fallout 4 is great mindless fun. I love that I can fire it up when I'm half asleep, drop in a bunch of hours, then shut it off when it all runs together. It's also pretty damn awesome that when the GECK comes out I can mod it to no end (does this excuse bad design choices, no; but it's still pretty cool). Could the original FO games have been extended into a way deeper RPG series than what we got: yes, yes they absolutely could have. But, as it is, situations didn't work out that way, and I still have something I can amuse myself with -- and outside of a few rare outliers, games are exactly what they are intended to be, entertainment, not art, not profound cultural communications, not etc. So, since I'm entertained, I have a hard time acting like Bethesda is the devil and this is his fiery assault on things I hold dear. Plenty of things change and plenty of things stop being what they are, I completely understand the position of many on this board (and have my own things I wish were what they once were), however, let's not pretend this is some travesty of art, or that not liking Bethesda games makes one a cultural and intellectual superior to those who do.