Postmodernism and your thoughts on it?

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  1. Pax the Sectoid

    Pax the Sectoid Still Mildly Glowing

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    More specifically, why do you hate or like it? Why would you defend/attack it?Do you think it's another step in human's intellectual growth?Do you know any alternative ideas? In general, I want to hear your opinions/thoughts/criticisms.
     
  2. SuAside

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    I think you're going to have to define your interpretation of postmodernism and what aspects of it you want to discuss, because it's quite a broad subject and one that probably has a very fuzzy definition for a lot of people.
     
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  3. Pax the Sectoid

    Pax the Sectoid Still Mildly Glowing

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    Mostly talking about literature, political ideas, the philosophy, the whole "truth is subjective" thing, and the criticisms and arguments for it that people give.
     
  4. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

    Oct 26, 2016
    I don't hate it but it has done a large degree of damage to availability of information and what's true or false. This can be observed in the typical news cycle which aims to obscure details and facts in an effort to a. promote a specific agenda and b. dupe viewers into believing they're informed by a single perspective. It's obscurantism on steroids at this point and paraphrasing Daniel Dennett, it has led to an era (hopefully brief) where it's respectable to be cynical towards truth or facts. I.e. flat-earthers, anti-vaxx, climate change, etc.

    This might not be entirely the fault of post-modernism, and perhaps it's simply a result of being able to peel back the onion on Google until you find an obscure article that "sort of" confirms what you already believed. Combining that with the ability to easily mobilize and engage with other people on the Internet who share your beliefs, well, the rest is history.
     
  5. Eshanas

    Eshanas A Smooth-Skin

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    Post-modernism is an overblown bogeyman that hasn't been relevant in years if not decades. In Architecture, Literature, Philosophy, or any other art or science.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Yet another buzzword that doesn't mean what people who over use it think it means.
    People even seem to think Post Modernism is a recent development, but unless you are 70 years old you have lived in a post post modernist world for most of your life.

    Read this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism#Definitions

    I blame youtubers for the proliferation of all these misconceptions.
     
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  7. Eshanas

    Eshanas A Smooth-Skin

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    I would also add that all these movements and so-and-so just don't mean anything anymore and have no real influence on the average person. Romanticism, Naturalism, Modernism, Rationalism, whatever. Maybe Post-Moderism or Deconstructivism won or maybe, just maybe, these intelligentsia antics have run their course.
     
  8. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    They have never meant anything, they have always been schools of thought in academia that seek to explain or critique trends in culture. But with the growing hatred for academia in some circles people who don't understand it point their sights at harmless games and excercises by scholars as having more effect and bearing on the world than they have, it's like when some people yell at "tropes", or when people yell at "millenials" while not even aware it's just a category for people 22 to 37 (IE most of the workforce).

    Words are stupid.
     
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  9. queen_Lora

    queen_Lora First time out of the vault

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    Postmodernism is dual for me.
    I like it when authors don't bend over with that 'post' and that 'modern'.
    Talking about paintings, they must have some techniques and idea. If artist draws just two lines, well, sorry, I can't name it art.
    Postmodern architecture is nice, especially when they use glass.
    Postmodern literature is usually close to our nowadays life, the only thing I hate is vulgarity with rudeness.
     
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  10. Chud

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    Then what do you call art? What do you see in Duchamp's The Fountain? Do you see only a urinal and nothing more? What constitutes a piece of art or literature is often arbitrary in nature. If you only see two lines on a piece of canvas and dismiss it as seemingly lacking skill or worth, then maybe it's time to rethink and change how you see art. You're giving the work a surface level reading. The lines and color were chosen and painted for a reason. Duchamp was not a postmodernist, but The Fountain has merit for this discussion:

    https://d7hftxdivxxvm.cloudfront.ne...oudfront.net/HTib5jUhiJTkHcYLJG1ojA/large.jpg

    It's handmade, glazed, essentially a piece of pottery. So why isn't it art? Who decides what is and isn't art? The focus of this piece is on the material, the construct, and the subtext. There's a reversal of purpose, a provocation of the then art world at large, and it's a pretty funny prank. Duchamp entered it in an art show under the alias of Richard Mutt, and was one of the judges. When the show began, he found the piece was not included. He then wrote the judges under the alias, and asked why the piece was removed. Among the reasons was that it was obscene, which he countered with how it could be obscene when he had purchased it from a window display. The provocation was meant to challenge the notions of what constitutes a piece of art, which is a made-up notion. Long ago we had only craftsmen, whereas the idea of the artistic genius came into being latter on for self-serving purposes. The act of craft making can be deemed a form of art. The difference is if it's shallow or has depth. You cannot argue Twilight isn't a novel, but you can argue it's a shallow, even shitty one.
     
  11. wanamingo89790

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  12. TheHouseAlwaysWins

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  13. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Precious Fluids of The Order Staff Member Moderator Orderite

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    That post modernism is shit a retard can cook up, invented by spooks, so morons can sniff their farts all day in California.
     
  14. TheHouseAlwaysWins

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    Post modernism at least from what I've seen of it is just philosophy describing current trends.
     
  15. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Precious Fluids of The Order Staff Member Moderator Orderite

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    I'm not knocking it but originality is severely lacking.
     
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  16. Crni Vuk

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    Doesn't that kinda make us all post-post modernists?
     
  17. Chud

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    Post-modernism from what I've seen has strengths and meaning, but there's also failings and plenty of work made by people full of shit looking to make an easy buck. To make a blanket statement like it's all "bad" is not only untrue but also a fallacy. Jeff Koons is a former Wall Street commodities broker who now employs others to churn out pseudo-pop art with negligible meaning, whereas Warhol who came before him definitely had something to say about the banality of consumerism and celebrity. There's a difference.
     
  18. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    It's shit in a literal sense. Cultural uroboros can't be good or healthy to society. My condolences to Andy Warhol fanboy transgirls.
     
  19. TheHouseAlwaysWins

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    I don't understand how andy warhol's art like soup cans or those colored portraits of Marilyn Monroe is harmful to society. Can you explain what you actually try to say in specific?

    Is not Fallout's whole setting in of itself post modernism with all of the combination of influence bleeding into each other?
     
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