Stupid Watergate - or how to impeach Donald Trump.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    I love that HK latched on to Donald as a democratic symbol. I just think it's absolutely hilarious given how much Winnie the Pooh hates his guts, and now his subjects are waving his face in the streets. Power to Hong Kongers all the way

    Anywho, he's not impeachable because he hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. He hasn't throatfucked his intern, he hasn't broken into the DNC, he hasn't launched a war on another country without Congressional support, he's untouchable. You wanna call him a douche, I'll do that with you, but legally he's clean
     
  2. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    I think HK wants US to step in against China. Trump all wacky though and probably won't so, yea.
     
  3. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    I've spoken to several Hong Kongers recently, they're very aware of the way Poohbear thinks about Trump. It's one part a cry for help and one part middle finger
     
  4. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Is "Poohbear" Putin or do you mean China?
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    There is hardly anything the US can do to help HK though.
     
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    SquidVan Pirate and Bankrobber

    Jun 1, 2018
     
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  7. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    China. Their current dick-in-charge is compared to Winnie the Pooh so much that he's banned anything related to the big ol' teddy bear
     
  8. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    That is just funny. One guy gets compared to pooh and has all references to it, scrubbed from the internet in his country. meanwhile The Shitposter in Chief released this.

    Obviously people lost their minds when they saw it.
     
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  9. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    Donald knows exactly what he's doing, I think he secretly enjoys being a shitposter AND a shitpost
     
  10. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Gotta say, I absolutely love Impeachment Inquiries, for entertainment value:

    Love the Ukraine transcript: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf, it's the most blatantly slimy thing I've read.

    Love how it takes exactly one statement for Trump to go from "The US does a lot for Ukraine and it's not always reciprocal" to "By the way I need a favour, dig up dirt on my main campaign rival". That combined with the withdrawal of military aid means that this isn't even subtle.

    "The first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often." My god, this entire thing :lmao:

    Like this whole thing is as blatantly obvious as "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, I didn't ask anyone to lie".


    By the way, something I saw while looking in to the Ukraine scandal. You know the Obama administration did the exact same thing, withdrawing funds from the Ukraine to get a prosecutor fired?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

    This isn't to say Trump shouldn't be impeached for this, or it isn't criminal, it absolutely is. But I find there's this liberal assumption that Trump individually represents what's wrong with America, and that if you get rid of the bad person who upholds dominant power structures and the status quo, then the good person who upholds the dominant power structures and the status quo will suddenly sort everything out.

    Why else was it surprising that Obama was drone-striker in chief, but not at all surprising that civilian casualties rose dramatically under the Trump administration?

    The US on a global stage has always acted like a bunch of hyper-nationalists interested in furthering their own self-interest. They usually disguised it under a thin, fake veneer of liberal tolerance. The only thing that Trump does differently is that he drops any veneer of being tolerant or respectable and says "Yes, I am all of these things. I am self-interested and pushing a zero-sum game agenda that sees all other countries as assets of the US. I am using blatant corruption to further my campaign".

    In this sense, the main difference between Trump and Obama, Bush, Clinton, all the presidents going back to Reagan if not further, is that Trump is openly cynical and corrupt. Most Presidents have the common sense to hide it under a false political persona.

    Maybe Trump really will drain the swamp, by stumbling enough to reveal the underlying corruption.

    More likely is that the moment Trump leaves office, all the liberals will give up their proggresive ideals and start thinking "Yay, we have a respectable president again. Now we can live in ignorance of the systemic problems that haunt the US and do nothing to further human rights, because at least we're not openly acting in shitty ways anymore" and nothing will be done to sort out the underlying problems that the Trump administration brought light to.
     
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  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Hi Jogre, long time no see. How you feel about Boris winning though? NHS being sold to the yanks etc.?
     
  12. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Unsurprised. To be honest, I think the most significant thing about the election wasn't the Tory majority, but the SNP majority.

    Scotland's always been radically different to England politically, but they never get their vision of the country realised and always have to be forced to accept what England wants. The toxicity of the Brexit debate only made that division 100 times worse. I think Trump's visit to Scotland where he congratulated them on 'taking their country back' when the majority voted to remain probably acted as a wake up call. The sheer anger about leaving the EU only boiled up from there.

    On the one hand, I wouldn't blame Scotland if they decided to ditch the UK. They're effectively being forced to take a direction that they as a country never chose or agreed to. On the other hand, if Scotland leaves, I'll basically be stuck in a one party state, and won't even have the luxury of freedom of movement to leave if I wanted.
     
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  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    The thing with Scotland is that they really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they stay with the UK they will be forced eventually to leave the EU which their majority I think doesn't want. Even less a Brexit without any treaty. But if they decide to leave the UK they will not immediately become a European member either and they have to apply for EU membership as a sovereign nation which will take time. In both cases they will have to deal with severe consequences with basically no fault of their own.

    If the Scotts stormed the Parliament in London with their claymores and bagpipes I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
     
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  14. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
     
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  15. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

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    Jul 29, 2016
    Forgive me if I am wrong about this, but Finland currently has a universal healthcare system that uses private enterprise for many things? From what I have read about the UK's NHS ours in Canada is almost exactly the same, and its shit. Bring on more public enterprise under a single payer system, you know like most European countries.
     
  16. Speaking of digesting garbage.


     
  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I don't get it. Republicans never stopped complaining how the impeachment was a scam and unfair. - despite the fact that the opposition said Trump could testify any time he wanted, even by letter and the White House decided NOT to defend them self. Anyway.

    Now the impeachment with the vote in the House is over and Trump is the third president that's impeached and the senate has now to decide if Trump should be removed from office. But now they want to end the trial as quickly as possible without witnesses and evidence to be reviewed.

    Should we now have a fair trial or not? I am confused ...
     
  18. Watching too much whatever media you get over there in Germany, which is probably getting info from CNN and Huffington Post or something. No idea.

    You wouldn't believe how corrupt it is. They want all the young and poor fucks to forget that the House has never been able to impeach anyone, and this whole thing was a lawyer circus to deliver on a promise of getting rid of Trump, so that the establishment Democrats don't have to talk about universal healthcare, all the programs they don't want to pay for, ect. ect.
     
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  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Actually I try watching what the Senators say.
     
  20. Our senators don't have term limits and are a huge part of the problem and everything that is wrong.
     
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