Stupid Watergate - or how to impeach Donald Trump.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Because it isn't a criminal trial, it is all political. a President can be impeached over anything. Get enough people together they can impeach him for his stupid hair, they have been trying to nail him with a gotcha before he was even in office instead of doing their jobs. Right now the House sitting on the impeachment papers in an attempt to negotiate is hilarious, They have no power over the Senate, the Senate could probably have their own vote or be real dicks about it and have everybody back in DC for weeks upon weeks dealing with this crap, instead of out there on the campaign trail. Hell this entire thing is because of some shit Joe Biden did.

    Ol' Blood Eye is gonna sniff ya real good!
     
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  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    @TheGM

    What you obviously missed in my post was the point that some say they won't be neutral in this whole process despite the fact that their oath BINDS them to being neutral. But I guess this would be only shocking if it came from democrats. I always forget. Holding both sides accountable is such a novel idea these days.

    But here is the main issue really.

    Either Republicans want a fair trial where the president is absolved or they make this in to a fake trial from the beginning - which seems to be their intention. Which will always mean that Trump never had a ... fair and neutral trial. Not even from Republicans, the "Law and Order" Party. Remember why Nixon resigned? Because it was clear that quite many Republicans would have voted to remove him from office.

    But you can't have it both ways. You can't have a trial that absolves Trump AND have it be a charade of a trial. People defending Trump now so easily forget that yes, one day there will be a democrat in the white house and a majority of democrats in the Senate. And then the game will be reversed ... Just like with Clinton where the exact same people that are die hard on defending Trump cried for a trial for Clinton and how the constitution and their oaths bind them to neutrality.

    Now here is the problem for the Republicans. A fair and neutral trial also means that Trump could actually end up removed from office if the evidence and witnesses speak for themself and the situation calls for it. That's why we have trials to get to the bottom of the truth, politically motivated or not. Otherwise it would be useless and we could simply remove any kind of separation of power, impeachment articles and just let the president reign how he sees fit for the 4 years he's in office - by the way this is kinda how the Romans did it with their consuls where they actually governed as dictators for 2 years, I think? Before they had to leave their position. Anyway.

    Do you not want a fair and neutral trial from Republicans?

    If Trump turns out to be really innocent - as he often claims - and everything was alright what do Republicans really have to fear with a MAJORITY in the Senate? Even if the Democrats would be politically motivated to remove Trump no matter what, there is still a 2/3 majority of votes required to remove him and currently the Republicans rule the Senate. So what do they have to loose from a fair trial? Unless of course Moscow Mitch fears that a "fair" trial would actually lead to a removal of his lover.

    Kinda funny that you mention it. Some of the Senators that will vote for Trump - which they already said before the trial even started ... also made it clear that they do not want to run again for office.

    Go figure.
     
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  3. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    None of them are neutral in this, ya idgit. The entire thing is a bullshit maneuver each side is using to hype up their base, normal people give zero fucks about any of this, they didn't care 20 years ago, they sure as shit don't care now. At worst this might be pushing people towards Trump come the election because the only that matters to anybody is the economy, which is pretty banging at the moment, so of course you get morons hoping for an economic collapse.
     
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  4. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    They are trying to make it more private here too, so I don't think any country in the world is 'safe' from rampant privatization.
     
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  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
  6. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    His impeachment was inevitable, just like his acquittal in the senate will be. Both sides have already made their decisions. That is the flaw in a lot of this, there are no neutral parties to actually do this. I think what Trump did was probably criminal or at least unethical, I don't know if it warrants a removal from office. I would say the culmination of who he is as a person makes him unfit to be the leader and representative of an entire country but it's not like there's a job interview. Unless he straight up murders someone on camera the only way he'll be removed is by election. I want to see him go head-to-head with Bernie Sanders, I don't think Biden is going to do very well.
     
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  7. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    In other news, he assassinated an Iranian general and government official. That should go well.
     
  8. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Just give Trump a gun and a pat on the back and let him fight his own war.
     
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  9. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Start Shit Get Hit, It is the code of the streets. So that is why I am unsurprised that none of you sissy-weenies know about it. When some Buster Ass Foo' starts some shit you with you, you put an end to that right quick with no exceptions, unless you want every punk ass bitch with confidence problems all up on your business. Some Chucklefuck thought he could start American Embassy 2: Electric Boogaloo and took a Hellfire for it. So here at the end of the day, Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.

    The preceding post contained high amounts of jingoistic satire, if you find yourself angered and confused, seek out somebody who cares.
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If you start acting like you're living in "the hood" don't be surprised if everything ends up looking like "the hood".

    As long as you don't start treating it like a game of chess you will always end up in useless wars that cost the lives of thousands and billions of dollars. Diplomacy? For the weak! No one needs that.

    Afghanistan, Irak, Syria, Lebanon. Look how well your "strategy" worked out. Punch first, ask questions later. I wish they would have followed this politic in the cold war with the Soviets. Maybe the world would have ended much sooner.

    Some people simply love to stick their dick in a hornets nest and call it pest control.
     
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  11. Everyone thinks they are doing the right thing and enough people know this that we currently aren't dead. We'll see what happens.
     
  12. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Somebody didn't read the fine print.
    Looks that way if you ignore the previous things that lead up to this. Rocket Slams into a Japanese Oil tanker, Some Grumbling but nothing happens letting one side see how farther they can push things. Saudi Oil refinery gets bombed, same as the last time but with more raised eyebrows. US Base gets bombed, people die. Terrorist Base gets killed even more of them die, Iranians try to storm embassy, chucklfuck gets bisected in a drone strike. With this game of oneupsmanship, shit can't only get more entertaining from here.
    OK Doomer.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I don't know man.

    Let us say Iran would kill Mike Pence. What do you believe the United States would do? They would retaliate of course. One thing McNamara often mentioned about the cold war for example is to put your self into the position of the enemy. If we do this, what will they do? What would we do in their place? What would they do in our place? And so on.

    This is not about the right or wrong thing, you can never know in such complex geo political issues what the right or wrong thing is. It is about the consequences to your actions. How many lives will be affected by it? Something that I would imagine people posting on a FALLOUT COMMUNITY would understand very well.

    The US doesn't send people with bone-spurs in to wars.
     
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  14. yuh but they like fallout 4/3 so lolololol
     
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  15. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Whose actions, The Giant Powerful Dick or The Little Annoying Asshole? street runs both ways.
     
  16. Veers

    Veers Fire when ready.

    63
    Jan 3, 2017
    The whole government's full of crooks, Trump included. He's not done anything no one else hasn't ever done, and it's not even the worst thing they've ever done, he's just worked it out to get caught to save everybody face. Republican, Democrat, Independent, none of that matters: they're all buds behind the scenes and taking the rest of us for a ride. It's been that way since day one of our country's existence and with few exceptions every President and politician has been the exact same way, just at a different time in a different manner. The only politicians who give half a hell about us either never get talked about or put into the news, or they leave the political scene in disgust of how bad it is long before they have a chance to do anything good.
     
  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    That's maybe right and I see your point. But even even if he hasn't done much different to previous presidents what he has done he has done worse. Which is shown by the fact that Trump trough one action not only gave Iran what they wanted - a martyr to justify their actions. But he also made Irak go for a resolution to get all US troops out of Irak which nullifies the 15 year the US has spend in the region. Even if it was under a false pretense. But the idea was to turn Irak into an Allie against Iran. now as Irak realised that they will be the battleground for a proxy war between Iran and the US? Well. They vote to get all the US troops out AND even close the air space for them. On top of it Trump also managed to push the strongest Allies the US had in the middle east - the Kurds in to the arms of their enemies, Russia and Assad.

    As far as foreign policy goes, Trump has made pretty much every kind of mistake. And he has very little to show for it.
     
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  18. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    ...ended the war in iraq?

    the man is a chess master...
     
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  19. I remember the cell games saga too.
     
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    This is not a Joke by the way :