The Outer Worlds information overload

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by PlanHex, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Epic games store exclusive? Why is this a problem just don't get it on PC then. It's not like a digital copy is real ownership anyway.
     
  2. FearMonkey

    FearMonkey Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Oct 12, 2011
    I agree with your final sentence.

    But I don't like playing first-person games with a controller. I prefer mouse/keyboard. Also, console FPS' tend to have low non-adjustable FOVs and they give me motion sickness. I have to play this on PC.
     
  3. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Honestly those aren't even real problems. I also prefer mouse and keyboard but I can deal. And getting motion sickness at a video game is more a personal defect than it is a flaw of the game itself.
     
  4. FearMonkey

    FearMonkey Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Oct 12, 2011
    Well, thanks for the outpouring of sympathy. <_<
     
  5. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Something causing motion sickness with no setting to fix it is in fact a flaw of the thing itself. UX kiddos.
     
  6. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I am bad at sympathy. Better at empathy but I can't emphasize with inferior specimen.
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  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    So you should empathize with every species on earth then.
     
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  8. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 7, 2008
    A lot of Steam's service is actually massively inconvenient for me, because I live in a place with shoddy Internet access. Among many other issues, forcing updates on me without warning sometimes means that I just can't play the game I wanted to play for days at a time, even though it's already installed. I really hate not having control over the contents of my own computer, and it sounds like Epic doesn't use DRM [unless that's changed since I read about it].

    Now that GOG's downloader seems to be more reliable, sales or exclusivity are really the only reasons for me to buy things on Steam instead of GOG.
     
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  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Ever tried offline mode? It removes the obligatory updates.
     
  10. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Not always. This is what Steam says about their offline mode:
     
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  11. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 7, 2008
    Only if I never go online. If Steam has already discovered an update, I can switch to offline mode and still not be able to launch the game.
     
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  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Risewild that just means games that have a multiplayer component. And if you are playing an MP game then you would need to update anyway, Steam or no steam.

    I am curious, what download speeds do you guys have? I am perplexed by updates taking days to download when I usually download them for a few hours and I live in a country where the normal DL speeds are 5mb.
     
  13. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 7, 2008
    I started downloading a 12 gigabyte game early this afternoon. It's now almost 8 pm and it's 90% finished. My average speed while the wifi has been working today has been around 500 KB/s. Peak has hit over 2 megs, which is around what I would have expected as an average back in the US. But these are very good speeds for here, and connection losses for most of a day (or even power outages) are not uncommon.

    AND this is since a new router was installed in my building last spring. Before that, my average download speeds were around 20 kilobytes a second...
     
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  14. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Super Eye Patch Man Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    They are the only reason consoles exist man.

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    Jabberwock, I feel your pain on the net issues. When mine works it is barely fast enough to do what I need to do. Problem is it goes down several times a day.
     
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  15. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Is there any way you could use a wired connection? I don't trust downloads through wireless. Steam also lets you set the bandwidth limit for downloads so you can potentialy increase it or decrease it depending on what would me more convenient.
     
  16. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    That is the second part, but the first part means that some games will not run in offline mode unless you update Steam or the game.
    For example, you can have Steam in offline mode, but to play Fallout 4 you need to have Steam Online because if you don't update the game, it won't start. I know there are other offline games on Steam that do this, but I can't remember their names, because I only have Fallout 4 and tried to play it offline back when I was trying it and didn't work.

    Also, if you install a game and then immediately turn on Offline mode, many (or most) games will not work, you have to play them while Steam is online for a bit before Steam allows you to play that game offline.

    Also let's not forget that if you are always in offline mode, you can't buy, install or update games.

    If you stay offline for a month, when you then connect online to do one of those things I just mentioned (to buy, install or update a game), Steam will force it's updates on you, and you have to sit there waiting... Sometimes it doesn't need updates but takes a while to "Authenticate User" other times it takes a while "Verifying Installation" and then in the end, it still has to login to the account.
    So if you keep yourself offline for a while, all of those 4 things (Authenticate User+Verifying Installation+Updating Steam+Login) might happen at once and can take quite a while, specially if your internet is slow.
     
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  17. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 7, 2008
    Nah, I don't have that much control over how I get access here. I'm stuck using the wifi. I could try messing with the bandwidth limit, that might help. Though the biggest problem here has always been how unstable the connection is.
     
  18. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    @Risewild. Well of course you can't buy or download stuff if you are not online. Kind of obvious, you can't buy them from the aether. But you guys are talking about playing games you already have installed. I think you guys are exagerating the time this takes. I live in a third world country my internet is much less reliable and I have never have to wait more than a few minutes when Steam even decides to verify anything, which doesn't happen often after the first launch.
     
  19. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jun 7, 2008
    Verification itself is usually not a big deal, it's the actual updates that ruin things more often. However, even verification can become an issue if the Internet cuts out at the wrong time. Steam can decide it needs to do something, then when it can't do it, I have to wait until the next time it can to get things to work.

    In fact, there used to be a frequent issue where the client could not even be launched in offline mode if it failed to login after going online (because of a connection drop). Then I would have to wait until the Internet came back on to use Steam at all. That particular problem seems to have been solved in the past year or two, though. But man, that was infuriating.
     
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  20. Squadcar

    Squadcar Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 1, 2018
    The only thing I use by them is their Operating Systems because it's the easiest to run games on. Otherwise, I wouldn't even use that. Everything else they make is terrible.

    Because there are better services to buy them under? And digital ownership can work if you can keep back ups of it via DRM-free digital copies. I know this is just a physical vs digital stance for most people but as long as you take care of (in their own ways) the thing you have, it'll last a lot longer. They just have different methods of not fucking up/losing the thing you bought. (I prefer physical but having that with PC isn't really an option much now)
     
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