There is only one god

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TheHouseAlwaysWins, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Btw there's a Finnish Thor, Ukko. Ukko = (old) man. Ukkonen = thunder.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukko
     
  2. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Of course, it's not limited to Indo-European cultures to acknowledge thunder or weather or the sky :D

    I'm just fascinated with the close relationship between language (being vital to every day life) and religion (also vital to every day life, therefore intertwined)

    But Indo-European gods and languages being deeply connected does not exclude other ethnolinguistic families to observe similar deities. Those would be examples of convergence. Lightning is pretty powerful, the sun is all-powerful, the moon lights up the night and so on, these are undeniable majesties that all human cultures would relate to, in each their cultural infancy

    Interesting how you treat "Ukkonen" though, another example of a convergent behavior - both cultures, linguistically separate, decide to just use the guys name as a synonym for thunder.
    The english word is more derived, but Scandinavian languages call it "Torden"
     
  3. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Btw it's interesting how close Finnish, Norwegian and Sami (and Swedish) cultures have been and yet not much mixing of the three, except maybe the Sami have mixed with the Finns and Norwegians. I got some family tree stuff made, turns out I was right, I have some Norwegian heritage at least from one 'branch' of my family tree.
     
  4. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Well, there's the Bothnian gulf to begin with, but there's some mixing that's maybe not that obvious. For example, all northern Norwegians have a saami accent. This is separate from actual Saamis and *their* accent, but North Norwegian has the same kind of hard accent that is found in Saami and Finnish. An equivalent sound is Finnish Swedish.

    Before there was a lot more "fluidity" in the north, with both Finns and Russians residing well within todays Norwegian borders. In modernity this is a lot more "rectified", but the remnants and heritages still remain. To this day a handful of people identify as "finnskoging", forest-finns, who are no longer distinguishable from either accent or language, but used to be an ethnic separation in southern Norway.
     
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  5. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Yes. Russians were cut off by the Soviet era, and by language barrier before that, Finland was under Russian rule until 1917. The Saami are now slowly trying to get their own nation going, could be tough especially getting the Russian part of Saamiland.

    And yes, my relative (grandpa's father) was born in Norway but had a Finnish name.
     
  6. TucoMerc

    TucoMerc First time out of the vault

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    Oct 23, 2018
    Human's destiny is to become god again.
     
  7. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Officially?
    Saami have enjoyed a "theoretical" nationhood since the 90s, at least in Norway, with their "Saami parliament" whos authority extends into Sweden at least, Finland too afaik, it's a cooperation thing.
    As for actual, real independence, I've never heard about any such efforts, mainly because the Saami themselves know how pointless it would be. Norway has the largest Saami population by far, upto 60 000 people, and they are completely uninterested in real independence. They DO want "self rule" and stuff like that, including preservation of language, identity, culture etc. The Saami of Russia are about 1000, and they all speak Russian afaik, so, as a culture they pretty much no longer exist there, and as such, they are indeed not officially counted by Russia as one of the many minorities there, just like the old Ingrians, they are expected to simply quit existing (by complete assimilation)
     
  8. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Yes. All you say is true. The Ingrians had a "right of return" to Finland, just like the Karelians. Never met any of them IRL. I have met some Saami folks. I came across several herds of reindeer up north when I was there recently. Reindeer husbandry (sounds sketchy I know) is how many of the Saami and Laplander Finns make a living.

    The Saami are building some 'parliament' etc. buildings in the far north of Finland. I think they do want something a bit more serious than just self rule.
     
  9. FreedomStalker

    FreedomStalker Still Mildly Glowing

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    Apr 22, 2016
    Surprised and impressed by how civil, everyone here is being.
     
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  10. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    To bring this Saami side track back on topic like a mofo, here's a link about Saami religions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_shamanism

    Shamans, that's right up the Saami alley. They got those drums made of reindeer skin, just like the US natives have drums they beat made from animal skins. They throw animal bones on the drums and predict the future etc., there are like 'zones' on the surface of the drum and the bones land on the zones and thus they predict the future etc.

    Saami drum.

     
  11. Vostyok

    Vostyok First time out of the vault

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    Oct 16, 2018
    And I hope it stays that way.

    "No Mutants Allowed: The Home of Fallout 1/2, Tactics, New Vegas, 4, and the only non-flammable religious discussion thread on the internet. "
     
  12. nkchan16

    nkchan16 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jul 27, 2016
    Humans won't live that long, but if they can create a powerful self-evolving AI, it might and can become god, as in "The Last Question".
     
  13. nighty

    nighty First time out of the vault

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    Jul 9, 2014
    Somehow reminds me of this goldie:


    In my book, a whole lot of what he says there is damn true. Like how we desire judgement of ourselves or how "god was the dream of a good government".
     
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  14. KingArthur

    KingArthur Johnny K deserved better

    Jun 25, 2018
    I’m polytheistic but I like to think that whichever god(s) you believe or don’t believe in everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Personally I don’t give half a dick what religion someone follows; if they’re a judgmental prick I’ll call em out on it. If they’re a good person, then I’ll like em most likely.

    Basically what I’m saying is that I support your right to try to spread your religion, but I reserve my right to gratuitously and politely decline. Now, if you were declaring Holy Jihad and saying “convert or die heathen” we would have words.

    I was gonna say we would have fists but I can’t fight you over the Internet so I’d have to settle for a strongly worded rant about how holy war helps no one but the Church higher-ups who pocket the loot earned by young, idealistic believers going out to fight and die for their God.

    This has become a meaningless rant in and of itself; hopefully you all get what I’m saying.

    TL;DR
    1) Don’t judge people
    2) You have the right to spread your religion, so long as you refer to 1 and 3
    3) Don’t declare Jihad
    4) Welcome to the Rice Fields, muthafucka
    5) Holy War, like all other war, only serves to make the fat cats fatter. Don’t Holy War. Holy War is bad. Refer to 3.
     
  15. joevonzombie

    joevonzombie Buried alive in Golgotha

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    Sep 28, 2015
    Gods are fake. Masterbation is fun. Live your fucking life because despite what you may believe, you aren't guaranteed shit after the lights go out.
     
  16. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    There is indeed only one true god and its probably Allah because the universe started with an explosion.
     
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  17. Rose

    Rose Keelah se'lai

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    Dec 5, 2018
    There's a religion that worships a flying spaghetti monster or some shit like that.

    There's also one on Reddit that worships Nicholas Cage. Not sure if it still exists.
     
  18. ironmask

    ironmask Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Mar 10, 2018
    There is one God. And his name is Godd Howard.
     
  19. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    More like Fraud Howard. Praise be to Allah!
     
  20. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

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    Jun 30, 2018
    Heretic.
     
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