Wasteland 2 Kickstarter has launched

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by C2B, Mar 13, 2012.

  1. incognito

    incognito First time out of the vault

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    Mar 4, 2012
    um, is it not per that is the lizard guy? and ausir the valut wiki guy?
     
  2. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    Yeah, Per is the lizard guy, he decided to impersonate Ausir. Evil pal ;)
     
  3. incognito

    incognito First time out of the vault

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    Mar 4, 2012
    Ok, i see. lol im getting confused.
     
  4. Kull

    Kull First time out of the vault

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    Mar 18, 2012
    Interesting. I just met someone who donated to this project "despite Fargo".
     
  5. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Erm...What?
     
  6. Kull

    Kull First time out of the vault

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    Mar 18, 2012
    Yes, Fargo seems to be a reason not to fund it (because of his recent games it seems?) while the original developer cast convinced him otherwise.
     
  7. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    I try not to get caught up in news (i.e. human drama BS) -- as far as I'm concerned, he was a big part of all the games that matter in this conversation: Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Wasteland. Thus, someone not funding this project because of him is stupid. I've heard Interplay became a huge shitstorm these last few years, but that's because of Bethesda and that whole back-and-forth, it's not because Fargo is a shitty game developer. Durrrr.
     
  8. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    Makes sense to me. Fargo got a bad reputation running Interplay, and didn't do a good job of it near the end.

    But that doesn't really reflect on his abilities to produce a smaller title like this.
     
  9. Kull

    Kull First time out of the vault

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    Mar 18, 2012
    Well, he didn't do CRPGs at inExile.
     
  10. Geech

    Geech It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 2, 2008
    Also, he wasn't really creatively involved with either of the Fallouts in a significant way, so I'm not really sure how much that counts toward his track record.
     
  11. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Not because he didn't try. He's been pitching Wasteland 2 to publishers pretty much from the start.

    Perhaps not creatively, but he is still remembered by a lot of people thanks to the "Brian Fargo presents" thing.
     
  12. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    This, and if he was a negative drain on the team, it's likely the games would not have been so good.

    I don't remember where it's linked... I think in the News section of the main NMA site... there's a presentation done by Tim Cain that's about an hour long that's a "post-mortem" of Fallout, and he talks about how close and friendly the whole Fallout team was with each other. If, for example, Brian Fargo was a punk bitch, I highly doubt the story would be the same.

    In summary, @everyone: be nice to Fargo because he's bringing you Wasteland 2 and was involved with about ten other awesome games :P
     
  13. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Sep 14, 2009
    Ultimately the head of the company is responsible for the company, and sadly Fargo, through his ineptitude, sunk a great gaming company. The fact Tim Cain had to beg him in person to allow the team to complete Fallout tells me Brian Fargo was over whelmed with the many projects Interplay were dealing with, or was surrounded by fools (that describes Interplays marketing department - they wanted to kill Fallout).

    Not surprisingly Tim and the other key contributors to Fallout soon afterwards left Interplay. Everything seems so clear in retrospect, I suppose we have to give Fargo a chance, but the original Wasteland was designed by Alan Pavlish, Brian Fargo, Michael A. Stackpole and Ken St. Andre - people too often give too much credit to one individual and not the team.
     
  14. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    The best thing Fargo did for Fallout was stay out of the way. PR/upper management mostly stayed out of the way too. The same is true for Torment. All people I talked to who worked on either project agree on this point, really.
     
  15. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Well, for Wasteland 2 all of these people are back on board.
     
  16. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    I admit I have been giving Fargo a lot of credit for this one. Mainly because he has been their mouthpiece so far.
     
  17. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    And while he's mouthpiecing for a good part of his working hours, those guys are fully engaged in design work. That's part of a producer's job.
     
  18. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    Yep. I agree. He does a damn good job at it too. Reading some of what Todd Howard has said recently has really put things in perspective for me.
     
  19. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
    Modder

    Sep 14, 2009
    What did Todd say? :look:
     
  20. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Excuses for Skyrim sucking. It was in Game Informer.