Would anyone take issue with the Enclave in future games?

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by Grimhound, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Caesar's Legion could also be considered religious nuts, altho their figure of reverence is a man of flesh and bone.
     
  2. TomJ

    TomJ It Wandered In From the Wastes

    186
    Jul 12, 2015
    I was thinking old world religious nuts like the Westboro Baptist Church.
     
  3. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    The Harold piece was pretty much the only one I actually loved. Fawkes was also a relief, for being a non-retarded-all-I-want-to-ever-do-is-kill-shit mutant.

    AFAIR, yes, even in Fallout 1 someone tells you they are fanatics who worship technology.
     
  4. TheGreatCornholio

    TheGreatCornholio First time out of the vault

    96
    Jun 16, 2015
    Dont forget the guys that worshipped the bomb in Megaton
     
  5. TheGreatCornholio

    TheGreatCornholio First time out of the vault

    96
    Jun 16, 2015
    Fawkes was a relief because he was the only companion with any kind of back story
     
  6. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Fawkes was one of the few likable characters I encountered in Fallout 3. Not saying that much really but it is something.
     
  7. Stone Cold Robert House

    Stone Cold Robert House Mojave Rattlesnake

    157
    Jul 6, 2015
    In a way, yes, but the legionnaires aren't really delusional like the Children of the Cathedral or Bright Brotherhood are. Caesar is a liar in the sense that he plays on the more gullible elements of his armies by making a small mythology around him. However those with a firm understanding of the Legion, or those who simply knew him long enough, are well aware that he is a man, just a very capable one. I doubt anyone in the Legion except for the lower ranks actually believes the "Son of Mars" thing, and if they do, they don't give it much importance. No, they follow Caesar for many more reasons than just religious belief.
     
  8. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    I am currently way too lazy to expand that thought, but the most glaring comparison that came into my mind when seeing the legion in FoNV is with child soldiers.
    All those very young people, stripped from their family, their village, their culture, forced into soldierhood, with no freedom, all those dogmas forced into them, and no possibility to think by themselves. It was especially glaring when you see the actual children having quite the same behavior as the teenagers that make most of the legion, people that have no clues of what they are doing. Of course, considering Bethesda take (mostly ESRB) about killing children, there is no way Obsidian could have used an actual army of children to fight agains't you, but if not for that, i guess we would have seen much more children within the legion ranks...
     
  9. TomJ

    TomJ It Wandered In From the Wastes

    186
    Jul 12, 2015
    The follow him out
    1. Fear
    2. Leadership ability
    3. Advancement potential
    4. More fear and bloodshed
    5. More than just farming
    6. They've been told to and don't ask questions
     
  10. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    But being crazy and unfair doesn't make it necessarily religious. They don't hold Caesar as god, but rather try to fit in to what they are taught, as pretty much any kid and teenager does (in the case of kids, to a parental figure, in the case of teenagers to their peers). At least that's my take here.
     
  11. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    My paragraph wasn't related to religion, at least intentionally. It was about children soldiers. And the parental figures are specifically said to have disapeared. Those legion members aren't raised by their own parents.

    Anyway, it lead me to kill those "child", for self-defense if i do an NCR runs, but i see most legion members are victims without much choices or being aware of alternative, and i feel bad for killing them. The leaders, the centurions, the spies, are fair game, on the other hand. Amongs the things that would have been great to see about the legion, in FoNV is ex-legion members. Those who saw the light and managed to escape legion. They would have been good source of lore and character develloppement. Joshua & Ulysses don't count that much as they clearly had a life before the legion.
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2015
  12. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    Sorry, I thought it was in line with the other argument.
     
  13. MyronMyronBabyMyron

    MyronMyronBabyMyron First time out of the vault

    12
    Aug 8, 2011
    It seems to me like the Enclave should die. I think each Fallout game was originally intended to have a new antagonist in every game. In fallout 1 we got the Master and his army, in Fallout 2 we got the Enclave and in the original Fallout 3 (Van Buren) there was going to the Caesar's Legion. I am not a Fallout 3 hater like many other folks around here but I would have preferred it if Bethesda came up with a new idea for their Fallout 3. I'm actually pretty optimistic about Fallout 4's story revolving around The Institute and Androids. Sounds like they are at least coming up with some new ideas for the series and not just rehashing stuff from the first 2 games like they did with Fallout 3.
     
  14. TomJ

    TomJ It Wandered In From the Wastes

    186
    Jul 12, 2015
    The Brotherhood of some stripe will appear. I'm of a wait and see mentality with them showing up again.
     
  15. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Had it been to me it would have been the Outcasts that re appeared and not Lyon's Brotherhood, the Outcasts having somehow build up its numbers and technology and having moved beyond the Capital Wasteland while Lyon's BOS is slowly collapsing, loosing the level of technology and training of BOS standards.

    The conflict would have been between the Outcasts/BOS and the Institute on how technology should be used to rebuild the world. The Outcasts wants to control the spread of technology where as the Institute basically wants to go 'crazy' with it; using it as much as possible and causing new kinds of problems with it.
    Neither side would be good, the BOS wants to restrict its spread, possibly even prevent others from acquiring it or taking it away from them even if it helps people to survive. The Institute barely seems to be able to control it, some of their projects and experiments having such consequences that it threatens settlements and populations. (terraform technology, androids that can copy themselves)