Censorship? There is no censorship!

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by cronicler, Nov 29, 2014.

  1. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Parenting and child rearing are synonyms. They're the same thing. What did you think 'parenting' even meant?
     
  2. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    I was talking about Parents, not parenting.
     
  3. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    That makes no sense, unless you genuinely think that anyone was making the point that two people physically making a baby is a social construct. Which no one was.

    But again, here's what you actually said when you jumped in:
    "Parenting of people", taking on "dual parenting roles". You were talking about parenting, about the ways in which societies take care of their children. About child rearing. And, again, you are completely wrong about those observations.

    Again I ask: what are you even trying to accomplish here? Who are you trying to fool?
     
  4. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    They take on dual parenting roles. I was merely talking about the roles, not the parenting. It's you who's making this into a big issue. I wasn't even trying to refute anybody. I know what I'm doing but I have no idea what you're doing.
     
  5. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Parenting roles as devoid of any reference to the activity of parenting? Because, again, unless you mean through the physical act of making a baby, the idea that dual parenting roles are a constant throughout history is just not true.

    I mean, I genuinely don't get what you're trying to say. Can you explain it in simpler terms or something?
     
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Just to be fair, I still dont know why you got cavemen in to this. Have they done something to you? Has a cavemen stole your bike? Have they beat you at school? Hmm?!
     
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  7. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Usually there's a mom and a dad.

    D'you get it now?
     
  8. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    And what's the implication, here? Do you mean a physical mom and dad, as in two people who pass on their DNA? Because again, no one disputed that. Or do you mean a mom and dad in the sense that they take on parenting duties analogous to the parenting duties mothers and fathers take on in our culture? Because, again, if that's your point, that's just not a constant, and certainly not applicable to animals.
     
  9. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    I dared you to call it a social construct. You did so. I have nothing more to add.
     
  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Well, it kinda is a social construct. So, uh, yeah, it's probably good that you have nothing more to add.
     
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  11. CthuluIsSpy

    CthuluIsSpy A Smooth-Skin

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    Dec 20, 2011
    Are you implying animals do not care for their young? Because they do.
    If that is not what you are implying, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
     
  12. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    I'm saying that the way animals care for their children is different from the typical mother+father construct we have in current 'Western' societies.
     
  13. CthuluIsSpy

    CthuluIsSpy A Smooth-Skin

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    Dec 20, 2011
    Ok, other question -

    How is the Mother - Father construct in western societies different from the mother-father complex in Eastern societies?
     
  14. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    'Western' is kind of a shitty and poorly-defined concept, which is why I use quotation marks -- but everyone at least vaguely understands what is meant. 'Eastern', though, I don't know exactly what you mean by that. I hesitate to make strong statements about specific societies because I'm no expert on them, and almost every society on earth is heavily influenced by 'Western' concepts these days, for obvious reasons. However, you could look at the concept of the three-generation household common in China, where grandparents tend to take care of many of the child-rearing duties. You could look at traditional Akan (West Africa) child-rearing practices, where child-rearing is the duty of an extended family with those who have the time taking those duties upon them. You could look at societies which practice "visiting marriage", where the husband and wife live with separate families and the child-rearing is primarily undertaken by one of the two, something you see in parts of Africa and China.

    Historically, the concept of a couple leaving their parents' homes early in life, and rearing their children together as mother and father is mostly limited to North-Western Europe, and even then is a relatively recent development.
     
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  15. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
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  16. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Well this is embarassing. I looked it over again, figured a court case over a sex tape from half a year ago isn't really relevant.

    Anyway, it's funny how posting a hulk hogan sex tape is ok, even when asked to remove it, but posting anything sex related of female celebrities obviously means you cavort with satan.

    lol:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B35p3XIIUAEbjDs.png:large
    https://twitter.com/THB_STX/status/540242275063046144

    Kind of relevant:
    http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/01/chris-rock-stopped-performing-for-studen
     
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  17. TheWesDude

    TheWesDude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 25, 2005
    wow, this is very spot on

     
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  18. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Yeah, the espoused need for every female character to be 'strong' is sometimes a kind of never-satisfied critique. But then again, the argument made is that they're simply tipping the scales, advocating a balance in character types, compensating for overused stereotypes and tropes. Then again again I don't think the industry needs more encouragement nowadays, in the creation of competent female characters. What with companies like Bioware, TellTale, Double Fine, many indies et al embracing feminism. Hell even Call of Duty has introduced female soldiers. But of course, it never was a question of whether equality is good or not, it's a question of what critique flies and what doesn't, and whether a game having something offensive is bad or not. Tagz saying: "Saint's Row appears to revel in the marginalization and treatment of sex workers as mere objects." is kind of silly to me, especially when we consider how the game actually presents it. Nobody has, or will, ever take Saints Row seriously. So how could it be a problem other than in how offensive it is to this particular brand of feminism?
     
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  19. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    "These tropes are overused, and female characters are all too often limited and used in very specific and very different ways from male characters" is the very short-form version of most cultural critiques of female characters, including Anita Sarkeesian's. That image, like most of this and the previous thread, is not reacting to the actual content of those cultural critiques, but to a straw man version that somehow people have internalized.

    Yes, you can have flawed female characters. In fact, your female characters should be flawed (as should all characters). Yes, you can have female villains. Yes, you can have female characters with negative traits. The point is that female characters should be treated with the same depth and variation granted male characters, but they often aren't.
     
  20. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
    That opening line is pretty hilarious, considering KoP, RevueMage etc etc.