Fallout 4 gameplay videos leaked, Bethesda starts taking them down

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Kilus, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. Taskeen

    Taskeen It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 27, 2007
    Seems like you're in denial there bub. It's ok to admit that Witcher 3 obviously has better animation work.

    Look at this game from 2007; even its animation is better than FO3/NV/FO4 combined.



    Look - I'm one of those gamers that really don't care about graphics sometimes, as long as the gameplay/story is good. I still play games from a decade ago that graphicphiles today would say look like "ass." Witcher 1, for instance, I find to be an amazing classic RPG from 2008, which obviously doesn't have super-AAA graphics. FO4 looks average at best, but certainly a little better than FO3 and obviously still has holdover issues with the ancient Gamebryo underlayer - honest perspective.

    Now even if FO4 looks average, I would probably say the rest of it would be fine if it has a story full of meaningful choice/consequences with a sensical story/setting. If it doesn't have the gameplay/story I desire out of an RPG then it is a pass for me. Several concerns that have already been gone over, however, have led me to decide that buying this at release, for full price, would be a waste of my money.
     
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  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Now I am just completely convinced kostjamoscow is a troll... Seriously? You are defending the facial animations? Not even Bethesda fans have defended those...
     
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  3. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    How open can your world be when I have to wait 10-20 seconds on a loading screen every time I go into a building?
     
  4. Kilus

    Kilus Not Australian Orderite

    May 3, 2003
  5. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    No no, you misunderstand. You and the NMA hivemind are in denial and are just blindly hating on a master piece called Fallout 4. SUPPORT @kostjamoscow
     
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  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010


    'Nuff said...
     
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  7. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    No man, that's just your opinion :V
     
  8. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Now compare to this "Great" animations....
    https://vid.me/w09f

    Next thing Kostjamoscow is gonna defend the AI during the Deathclaw fight. "Don't you get it? The Raiders are obviously suicidal, that's why they jumped off thebuilding and the Deathclaw is supposed to be blind because it's at night!" I can already see it...
     
  9. Battlecross

    Battlecross Banned

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    Jun 17, 2015
    That has a bunch of weird lip movement too, not to mention Jerry's beard clipping through his armor. Not to mention it being a game that had numerous performance patches to improve things. Still looks great and better than FO4, but it's not currently a totally fair comparison with those differences.
     
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  10. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Witcher 3 came out this year I think it's pretty fair to compare them.
    Witcher 3 has a huge open world, it also has hair physics which is something Fallout 4 obviously doesn't have. Also reports from the Spanish Leaker indicate the game does have performance drops on later morepopulated areas. Those performance patches didn't suddenly change all the models and animations.

    I am not even gonna hold the outdated graphics that much against the game, but to even try and call this "great" and "not much worse than Witcher 3" is just blind fanboyism.
     
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  11. Battlecross

    Battlecross Banned

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    Jun 17, 2015
    You didn't read what I said. You're comparing a game with numerous patches to a game that isn't out yet, that is the part that can't really be compared. The lip animations in The Witcher 3 aren't great either. I'm watching them now and Jerry's lips just flap. Like right here:

    https://youtu.be/ki9cHLTswTg?t=523
     
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  12. raynor009

    raynor009 Hell yeah!

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    Apr 29, 2012
    I thought that the batteries in them were supposed to last 100 or 200 years. Thats a real kick in the nuts for me because I always enjoyed walking around the strip in NV inside a big ass power armor wielding a minigun. Even in Fallout 2 in New Reno people were like freaked out when you were wearing the APA. They just HAD to fuck this up too.
     
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  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    And that is the problem, they have always been bad :/
     
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  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    It has some minor hiccups, but it's nothing compared to Fallout 4's wax faces controting into weird experiesions. The faces also look like actual faces. Which is what Kostjamoscow is trying to argue, that it isn't that different.
     
  15. Aniki

    Aniki Just Works

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    Oct 9, 2015
    Even on sites like Kotaku and PC Gamer people are pointing out the shitty animations
     
  16. Battlecross

    Battlecross Banned

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    Jun 17, 2015
    Faces look mostly fine in FO4, and they're stylistically different from The Witcher. I agree The Witcher looks better, but you're making the Fallout 4 faces out to be worse than they are methinks. Fallout 4 has airships, vertibirds, lasers, guns, etc. The Witcher gets to focus on more "down to earth" things for the most part.
     
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  17. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Bone Daddy oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I think with so many people getting burned on AAA titles people are being slightly more critical.

    No, the faces have been called out specifically all over the place with the usual response being mostly in agreement except they don't think it's a big deal.
     
  18. Battlecross

    Battlecross Banned

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    Jun 17, 2015
    I'm thinking you put too much emphasis on vocal minorities online. I've seen mostly positive reactions most places that aren't here or r/gaming.
     
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  19. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Bone Daddy oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Dude, are you serious? Arkham Knight? Destiny? Konami's two latest debacles? I could go on a three page tangent, but I won't bother because you are seriously lacking some knowledge required to have a decent debate.
     
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  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Next he will claim that Bethesda is really good in making User Interfaces, despite this beeing one of the most criticised characteristics of their games. For years ... the idiotic faces and animations are by now a runing gag among people that know Bethesda games.

    Seriously, I think a lot of issues might come from the fact that they still use the gamebyro engine. I am not sure though. But It would make sense I guess. I mean how many games out there actually REALLY utilize this engine? And for such a long time as well. It doesn't seem to be really suited for anything that a modern game should provide. Neither with the looks or the gameplay mechanics. I mean just looking at who's using it there is NO AAA company and at least I can't see any recent use of it, outside of Bethesda who still clings to it like a crazy.

    I can only imagine what uncomfortable environment it must be to work with an engine that's still utilizing tools and code from the stone age. But it can't ONLY be the fault of the engine though, I mean if you look what modders do with facial expressions and some animations, but I guess they simply have the time to work on it, no clue.

    But still, even here I feel that the engine and it's outdated assets are a real hindrance, definetly when it comes to the stuff that work behind the visuals. Like the controls of bones (important for fluid movements), how mashes are handeled etc. And even Skyrim had STILL(!) to deal with memory leaks and bugs that have been present since Oblivion.

    Serious modders out there who provide the comunity with more than just pink versions of the same armor, don't have always the best opinion about the engine. I mean you can update old engines, but only up to a certain point where you have to decide that it would be a good time to get a new one. If only becuse they offer you more tools and more efficient ways to utilize modern hardware.
     
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