Now Foxx I don't Like F4 probably as much as You do.. But You need to understand that Nevada and Sonoora are only modifications to F2 they still use most of the assets and the engine which is *not* opensourced neigther by interplay/ black isles nor bethesda. so if You release a game that use their stuff in it you agree by default you can't charge cash for it. As for piracy i ment that whole F2 is released with Nevada's non 'Mod' version ( mainly in russian version it comes together with original fallout2's master.dat and critter.dat) in a way it is a standalone game not dependant on base Fallout 2 content. It can't be done this way in the western world. somply put You can't release stuff from fallout2 while independant form Fallout2 as it's aginst law in some countries. Frankly I'm not concerned about using pirated stuff. I'm more concerned however about quirks in local law.. You see.. in my country it is not illegal to posess pirated .mp3s videos ant the like.. yet, however it is illegal for me to distribute it in any form paid or for free if it's pirated. The use of torrent involves not only downloading but also distribution of portions or whole of the product. Hence why when downloading pirated stuff from torrents I'm not only downloading but also giving it away to other people, and that's falling under the paragraph of distributing pirated stuff. In my country Internet ServiceProviders are obligated to strictly monitor all port traffic and suspicious behaviour. They are obligated to report such cases to authorities. So if they notice bittorrent.exe uploading shitloads of MB into the internet, they call police and I'd have an local equivalent of SWAT raid on my flat. Plowing through my apartament arresting me and putting me into jail for prison time. end of story... So You see, for me, it's mostly about torrent, rather than some moral code about using pirated stuff. You see If i download stuff via web browser i don't automaticaly distribute portions of downloaded file to other users and henceforth it looks to ISPs as normal web traffic (which it is) so they don't have anything to report on me to authorities, and everything ends fine. As for the independant release.. I don't care if it's breaking some piracy rules it's developer's problem not mine. It's the devs and their distributors that'll fall into trouble with bethesda if bethesda finds out.. I'm not breaking any laws i have Fallout 2 purchased on steam, gog, and old CD versions both US and UK, so I can basically show middle finger to pirate hunters, however downloading from torrents in my country is a risky operation because it's also distribution. and Distribution of pirated stuff where I live means Jail time. No hard feelings Foxx... but it's how it is where i live..