Fuck Notre Dame. Seriously.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003

    Rehab Provides:

    1. Housing.

    2. Food

    3. Professionals who will help the addict and mentally ill get better.

    AGAIN,

    What the fuck is the problem here?

    I mean, Corey Booker is actually AGREEING with me.

    Get them off the fucking streets, away from the hospital and jails and INTO REHAB. If being in hospitals and jails is so damned expensive, FORCEM INTO REHAB. It isn't rocket science.
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You can't force people in to getting better. Sorry to tell you this. But I am talking from experience here. Just as you can't force someone to agree with your opinion. The argument is, that some here want nothing to be done, because helping poor people is expensive. Turns out, it's more expensive when you do nothing at all.

    I am not talking about you personaly. This is something I have a hard time to understand. Some here all about individual rights and never ever forcing someone to pay higher taxes or for regulations or in to health care etc. But when it comes to poor people, suddenly you want all kinds of restrictions just so they can have a live in dignity.
     
  3. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Interesting, and I guess a good point. I thought the whole Buddha statue- thing was about a conflict between Buddhists and Muslims in the region. Afghanistan is still really poor and the wars haven't really solved anything.

    They're now asking question about the money donated to the restoration of Notre Dame, about tax evasion and about the logic of not helping people.

     
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  4. Eshanas

    Eshanas A Smooth-Skin

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    Jul 6, 2016
    Another bad-faith post?

    If there is an immediate problem, then throwing cash at luxuries is not a solution. France has been protesting a Centrist-move and government that was going to cut their programs, funded by the money of citizenry, and new taxes on the lower and middle classes while the rich were going to get a tax break. Afghanistan doesn't have a stable government and is in a state of widespread civil war. That's different from most people in the states (though decaying infrastructure and rising cost of living may already be close to a 'crisis' point) or most of the First or Second world.

    When you have people protesting constantly for five months, or a civil war for forty years, then yea, focusing on solving those issues should take precedent as it's a problem affecting a big part of society.
     
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  5. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma C3H5N3O9 + NaOH Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007
  6. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    More like when you actually DO SOMETHING, those leeches STILL do not wish to change. In this scenario WE have done something. THEY, the LEECHES, have done NOTHING.

    So, if we do not FORCE them, then we spend money on unsed rehab centers and mental health facilities, while also, BEARING the brunt of them ended up in hospitals or jails. If this is the case, then we might as well save the money on the rehab and mental facilities then, duh.
     
  7. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma C3H5N3O9 + NaOH Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007

    You remind me of someone's who's good at fuckin'












    fuckin' and suckin'.
     
  8. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    I don't know about the suckin' part but Joe Public is really going to get fucked good if we do things Crnis way.
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Who of you here has actually worked with homeless people and/or drug addicts?

    I would rather want someone to have a roof over their head and some food on their plate, even if they do not want to change anything. But that's just me.

    I made the experience that you can not get people in to changing anything, as long as you don't cover the most basic needs. You have to find out why someone lives on the street, why they are mentaly cripled, why they take drugs etc. and then work from there. You can not force people in to changing to your standards, or what you deem as good behaviour. Again, people aren't like dogs that can be trained or machines that can be programmed.

    People should have a right on living in dignity, that simple. No strings attached. No requirements. Everyone.
     
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  10. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Does it make you feel a little bit like rioting?
     
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  11. Tirdion

    Tirdion First time out of the vault

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    Apr 29, 2019
    I am sure they will have no problem to rebuild it. Especially if rich people who own French Riviera real estate will donate some of their money the work will go much quicker.
     
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  12. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    As I have brought up BEFORE,

    That food you speak of, that roof you speak of, they HAD THAT. Their drug habit FUCKED IT UP. You can give them food AGAIN, you can give them a roof AGAIN, it WON'T MATTER. Their drug habit will fuck it up AGAIN.

    If your answer is to keep giving them shit, letting them fuck up, again and again, well:



    Eliminate the habit, solve the problem.

    No amount of working with addicts or mentally ill people will change what needs to be done.

    Addiction is a sickness that needs to be cured before the patient gets better. Just like one would take medicine or go to a hospital if one is fucked up. Same with the mentally ill. They need professionals and medicine to treat them. They cannot be left alone and untreated as things will never get better, only worse.
     
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  13. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Eliminate the habit? But do not solve any other related problems, such as housing, jobs prospects, quality of life - just make sure people who drug and drink just cut it out!

    You know what? These people DO cut it out, all the time! Rehab centers make sure of that. Phew. That's a relief. I thought there were drug addicts and alcoholics in the world, but there cannot possibly exist any now, since they have eliminated their habits long ago.

    WAIT WHAT, NEW ADDICTS APPEAR, WHERE PREVIOUS ONES WERE REFORMED!? WHAT KIND OF SORCERY!!!?=bv
     
  14. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Jobs: Already handled that.

    Eliminate degree requirements for jobs that rely on on the job training.

    Housing: Eliminate things like rent control and useless red tape. Rent control has inhibited the construction of new homes, along with red tape. At the same time, homeless friendly policies invite more homeless, putting pressure on the already limited homes and space. Other homeless get wind of Seattles homeless friendly policies and move there, creating a vicious cycle.

    Prospects: Could you get any more vague?

    I will try to tackle it though. Success in this world, no matter how much we wish it to be otherwise, require skills and a bit of luck. No amount of regulation will change this. It isn't enough to just have the knowledge, it is about who you know as well. Every system of government, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Capitalist, etc, follows the same rules. Guess what? This was true THOUSANDS of years ago, it is still true NOW. It doesn't mater what type of government you have, nobody wants to hire the unreliable. Nobody will hire the mentally ill, especially, if they cannot perform their duties or if they are dangerous. This is not discrimination, it is COMMON SENSE.

    Quality of life: Are you kidding me?

    Nothing else is more vague? How much does a person need to make them happy? How much needs to be given to a person to make sure they stay away from drugs? You are essentially saying that people need to be given whatever they want, otherwise, they will resort to drugs. My post above already proved this. People HAD homes, they HAD food. They had a TV, XBOX, what the fuck ever. Most people even HAD loving families. They STILL fucked it all up. Not all addicts were just victims, with abusive parents, or some other unfair hardship. Plenty were absolutely fine, they just made dumb fucking decisions.
     
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  15. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    Fuck Notre Dame indeed.

    Funny that president Macron announced some public pep talk as an answer to political and economical demands from yellow vest movement at April 15 but he had to cancel it because just an hour before the supposed speech Notre Dame burning happened. Very convenient. Two weeks later and still nothing.

    Also notice how catholic everyone suddenly became about the church despite the fact that France is like one of the most atheistic countries in the world.
     
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  16. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma C3H5N3O9 + NaOH Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007
    You have to make your own opportunity and you need your business and government environment open and able to allow people to make their own opportunities.

    That's it.

    Since your the new young generation and are needed to establish yourselves in your communities and economies and make upgrades and changes, just focus on those two things.
     
  17. Eshanas

    Eshanas A Smooth-Skin

    619
    Jul 6, 2016
    Cultural Christians and Cultural Catholics and Western-Chauvinists?/Nationalists (not in the bad way for you Yanks, there are degrees to the thing) are all suddenly invigorated. It couldn't had burned at a better time: the Middle east has gone quiet on most media outlets. the Yellow Vests were a bore, most people were tired of scandals and the culture wars.

    Then comes this which could be warped to an attack on Christianity or as a sign of the decay of the West and people love that stuff, because what follows decay is a rebirth. Make no mistake: that cycle is ingrained, even if subconciously, into our minds as something that must happen, and if Notre Dame, the beloved Cathedral in the heart of the West is burning down, then either dark days are a'comin and then bright days will follow.

    How long now have people heard about the four-generation cycle, the 'millennial malaise', the godless, atheistic, hedonistic nature of the current west, the culture wars, the oh-so-prevalent fight against Islamism, the decay of the West and the rise of the east, the extreme division within all of society - political, sexual, yadda yadda and etal -? It's a home-brewed concoction of expectation that something big will happen, though as we approach almost the end of the first quarter of this century with a whimper, and not a bang, and a new generation arises, people are getting restless.
     
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  18. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    what in every hell?
    Also, dude, paragraphs
     
  19. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Dude/dudette has unique style.
     
  20. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    I think they’ve gotten clickbaited and read literally no further elaboration from Crni