Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by CT Phipps, Feb 14, 2020.

  1. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

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    Oct 28, 2014
    I get reviews are supposed to be somewhat subjective, so if a stories' issues didn't bother you ,then they didn't bother you. But a line has got to be drawn somewhere as to when liking the product and it's actual quality. I unironically enjoy F3 & F4 alot but I understand they have heavy flaws and roll my eyes when somebody says that the flaw is good because X.

    Isn't the entire point of a review supposed to be giving the reader insight to the product, laying out the stuff the story has to offer and pointing out the stuff you did like but also the issues it has? If you're just throwing 9/10's at everything the rating becomes pointless, by this point anything could be of any quality with that rating.

    Most folks are giving the Sonic movie about a 6 or 7 out of 10, it doesn't do much unique but it's good for what it is which is fair. Your rating system of 9/10 elevates stuff to being like "The Godfather"level of quality , which is an actual 9/10.
     
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  2. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix Pseud

    372
    Mar 9, 2018
    I thought the movie was shit, 4/10 should have went in drunk.
    Edit: I'll amend my statement, 1/10 it's suicide squad with half the star power and edge, and the cast is a group of cat ladies who're all out of boxed wine.
    Edit: I'd like to spank Harley with an iron.
     
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  3. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I will admit, if there's anyone who grades movies and video games on any quality other than:

    1- I hated it
    10- I loved it

    They're EntertainmentTM.

    Maybe if you say, "Graphics" before the rating but even then I have difficulty believing anyone actually judges a thing beyond how they like it. That's ridiculous.
     
  4. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    No, the Godfather movies are 10/10, 10/10, and 7/10. Maybe 6/10.

    To clarify for Harley Quinn, I didn't just like this little. I LOVE Harley Quinn, I love the DC universe, and I love the world of Gotham City they invoked. I was thinking of giving it an 8.5 but I figured it was bright and full of colorful characters I loved.

    So I went to see it a 2nd time today and will probably see it a 3rd time.
     
  5. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    The Godfather movies are obviously of similar quality to Birds of Prey.

    Hey man, you do you, I think scores are kind of silly anyway, but even stuff I like, such as Freddy got Fingered, I find hard to give anything above a 1.
     
  6. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    Not really ridiculous in the slightest. Examining why any media is put together goes well beyond if you like it or not. Not to mention, you can dislike something and still appreciate how well it was put together.

    There are several games and movies that i don't care about, but i appreciate how well made they were. I just don't care for the genre they are in. There are also several games and movies i like that i'm fully aware how extremely flawed they are.
     
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  7. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

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    Oct 28, 2014
    Nothing is ever really a 10/10 in my view. 10/10 would indicate complete flawlessness and everybody unanimously loves it. The Godfather trilogy is a beautiful set of movies but all movies can be improved here and there. There can also be stuff like movie goofs or something that can take out the immersion if noticed. I think 9/10 is fair for any really good, excellent film.
     
  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    No, hence why they're 10/10 and this is a 9 out of 10, which is the highest you give a movie that is just a blast.

    I don't believe in objective quality beyond enjoyment in terms of ratings but I've had this argument before. You rate something based on its function, which is to entertain.

    But that's just me.
     
  9. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    That's fair, tbh, I'm gonna defend you and just say we really just score thing differently.
    It really all depends on the critical eye.

    I've not seen Birds if Prey, but I'm doubtful as I don't like how much of a meme Harley has become, and I'm jaded by superhero films.

    I do get where your scores come from, even if it's not how I score things. I think you should have a Letterboxed if you haven't already.
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am so

    right now ...

    You wouldn't believe it.
     
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  11. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Happy Family Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    CT Phipps goes to bat over the weirdest shit. Kudos Phipps. Us weirdos need to stick together.
     
  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    I want CT to be a restaurant critic.
    "Five stars really account for something! The string trio in the background was nice, the sommelier recommended the perfect wine, and the créme brûlée was to die for. I felt a bit hungry, though. 9/10"
    "The sandwich was greasy yet tasteless, I saw a rat in the kitchen that might have just been the Chef's corgi, but I got a nice sugar rush from the soda and the sandwich really filled me and I didn't get food poisoning. 9/10."
     
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  13. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
  14. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix Pseud

    372
    Mar 9, 2018
    Harley looks like she just got done with a bottle of uppers, probably whored herself out to get them since she looks destitute (Her outfit also provides easy access to her goods too, a coincidence I'm sure.). That guy towards the start of her set was a cop who was about to arrest her for prostitution and being under the influence of illicit substances no doubt about it.
     
  15. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Cynical Cunt

    Jun 15, 2015
    Oh Birds of Prey... There is a lot I can say about this movie but I am going to try to be polite with what I feel was wrong with the movie. Don't worry, I'll keep the politics and costume design out since it has been done to death on both Twitter and YouTube.

    1. The marketing and development. It is clear that WB wanted to recreate Marvel's success with Deadpool. I can imagine what the meeting was like:
    WB EX 1: "Deadpool made Marvel a lot of money and is the highest grossing R rated movie of all time. What do we have that can give us the same success as Deadpool?
    WB Ex 2: "Well we have Harley Quinn. She is DC's best selling comic book character next to Batman. She is basically bubble gum Deadpool. Why don't we make a movie about her. With her popularity and sex appeal we'll make more then Deadpool!
    WB Ex 1: "Brilliant! Get on that right away! And make sure that it is R rated too like Deadpool! We can prove to everyone that we too can make an edgy R rated super hero movie!"
    WB Ex 3: "Sir, Todd Phillips is making a solo movie about the Joker who, by the way, is the most popular villain in comic book fiction and maybe all fiction in general. Are you sure that we shouldn't be putting our eggs in that basket instead?"
    WB Ex 1: "Pfffttt... No way! Harley Quinn is a better character to get behind then the Joker. Besides, angry people on Twitter with blue check marks and pronouns in their bios told me that Joker is going to be incel baiting trash that is going to cause a mass shooting. Ew! Don't want to be anywhere near that. In fact, take most of WB's stock out of the Joker movie and put it into Harley Quinn instead. That is a much safer option to go with."

    Oh the irony...
    Yes, it is true that Warner Brothers took most of their stock out of Joker over Twitter outrage and put that stock in Birds of Prey instead which means that Warner got little money from the Joker's billion dollar success. What a STUPID decision! Then again, hindsight is twenty-twenty.
    Anyway, back to the marketing and development mistakes. Harley, unlike Deadpool who is mostly popular with older boys and men, is primarily popular with young girls between the ages of 10-20. The type of girls that primarily shop at Hot Topic or know Harley from that DC's Super Hero Girls Netflix show. With young girls, their parents are going to take one look at the R rating and be like "Hell no!" and instead take their daughters to see Sonic instead. Women over the age of 16 are also not going to see a hard R movie. Here is a dirty little secret for you guys reading this. Most women do not like R or M rated movies and games. Most women generally don't like hyper violence in general. Why do you think most women prefer movies like Bridesmaids or games like The Sims over movies like Predator or games like Doom? Sure their is a sizable female audience with properties like Fallout and Mass Effect but even then females only make up maybe at most 20 to 30 percent of the fan base. Warner really should have made the movie PG-13. Tone down the violence and market the movie as a gal pal night around the town movie. Granted, they still wouldn't have beat Sonic but at least Warner would have made a profit. Instead they did so poorly that Gail Simone, the writer of the Birds of Prey comic and all around nasty and vile person, went on a 3 day Twitter rant over men not going to see the movie and contribute to her royalty check which is stated to be small due to the movie bombing. Haha!

    2. The Birds of Prey are nothing like their comic book counterparts. Where the hell is Oracle, the creator of the Birds of Prey team? Why is Montoya a 55 year old women when in the comics she is in her 30's? Did they seriously cast a black women to play Black Canary because her super hero name had Black in it? Cassandra Cain is nothing like her comic book counter part where she is this badass assassin. But the biggest peeve is that Harley Quinn had nothing to do with or was she ever a part of the Birds of Prey team. If DC and Warner wanted to make a Harley Quinn paling around with the gals movie then why not adapt Gotham City Sirens instead? You can make a fun, Thelma and Louise style movie with that comic. You can have Harley paling around with Poison Ivy and Catwomen, having fun and causing mischief while she tries to move on from her relationship with the Joker. Hell, you can even have her develop a deep friendship with Ivy and hint that it will develop into a romance like it did in the comics. At least it would have been true to the source material!
     
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  16. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    It made less money than Dolittle, which is a horrible movie.
    It made less than $200 million worldwide, it cost half of that to make and another +$100 million to market it. That's break even at best.
    Lesson? Get woke, go broke. The people at WB will be slamming their heads into the wall. They didn't want much to do with Joker, that made more than a billion dollars, but choose to put their eggs in the Harley basket. These companies must be run by fools or women, which is roughly the same thing.
    Guess most of their "profit" comes from you, man. Or should I refer to you as "they"?
     
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  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    It is a bit ironic that an absolute Joker fan is clashing together with an Harley fan.

     
  18. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
     
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  19. MayonaiseCream

    MayonaiseCream First time out of the vault

    10
    Nov 22, 2017
    I've watched the movie and I am rating it 2/5. I feel that Margot's acting is kinda over.
     
  20. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    I just managed to finish it today, and I would have to say that I agree with SpermCream above: 2/5.
    It's a simple MacGuffin story. All characters except for Harley are 2D and the whole thing seems directed by a lazy version of Guy Ritchie. There's a lot of overacting going on all over the place and most action scenes are badly choreographed. Henchmen wait politely so the hero of the story can hit them where it hurts. Little women hit well-built men and they go flying through the room. That sort of stuff. Robbie Margo does her best, but in no way is her portrayal of Harley Quinn reminiscent of the Harley Quinn from the animated series. She gets a little annoying from time to time. I've never liked the accent and I've never liked her outfits. Give her a black and red harlequin suit for crying out loud. There's probably someone out there who can do a perfect Harley Quinn, but it's not Robbie Margo.
    The movie seems perfect for 6-16 year-old girls, except for the coke scene maybe, but they rated it R. I don't like the voice-over either. I think it's a cheap and dated way of telling your story. But whatever. You can buy the Funko Pops! And there's a chase.