Hugo Chavez

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by donperkan, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. Makta

    Makta The DICKtator

    Jul 29, 2010
    I can't say i know much about him. But unless they get another commie bastard it could only get better!
     
  2. Matthews

    Matthews It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Aug 29, 2012
    You forgot the entire conservative party of Swedish politics. Unless you look for "rulers" per se, thus I can mention Reinfuhrer (Reinfeldt is that hated, yes).
     
  3. Makta

    Makta The DICKtator

    Jul 29, 2010
    Because the left side of the block is so much better hurr durr!

    But i guess you are a follower of the Swedish democrats :D
     
  4. Matthews

    Matthews It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Aug 29, 2012
    Rather democracy than dictatorship, I'd say... Which is where we're heading to at this time.

    EDIT: Oh, democrats. Read wrong. Well, I'm more of a social-democrat (pre-Löfven) in terms of politics, but I'm not politically active per se.
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If it would not be so funny ... you could cry about it as its true.

    South America. The backyard of the US. Not only figuratively.

    I mean seriously. Its no surprise that certain places are what they are today, why some of the politics is so fucked up. Those people try to make the best out of it.

    I mean for an "well" educated snobbish european or the typical yelling fast food loving US citizen, Chavez might seem like another daemon that left the world.

    But seriously. What do we know? Maybe he was the best choice for his nation after all ... at least for that time. Both the US and Europe screwed South America, Asia and Africa so many times over the last 200 years, that we should not blame them, or their dictators but our politicians and society.

    And, if we love our society, we should be also happy for them! Because if those people would tomorrow decide that war, corruption and all those things are not "nice" anymore our economys would collapse. Seriously. don't fear the dictators of those nations, embrace them, this worked with Gadaffi for almost a century!. If you "love" your nation and wealth, fear the day those nations become true peaceful democracies! - of course I am only joking, you should say in the public that you hate them and then sell them your 10-15 year old weapon systems becaues they for sure can kill their neighbours but you know how to disable the systems.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    You people really have some funny ideas about the state of South America. Sure we have a lot of political and social problems, more than you are used to, but you seem to think we all live in wooden shaks in the jungle electing people with red berets all the time.
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    of couse not, some of you sure have a few green and yellow berrets, just for the fancy colours!
     
  8. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Why is always it always necessary to tie everything up with a nice bow and declare that this guy was either an angel or devil just to fit with one's own political bias? Dude was complicated. I think it's says a lot about how political bias stifles open mindedness when a polarizing guy like him is brought to the fore. Lefties love to love him, righties love to hate him, but neither side wants to see more than one facet that would challenge their bias, and see the totality of things.
     
  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Most people can only see Politics, or rather Entire issues of opinion only in Black and White.
     
  10. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I agree. This guy was International Clown Number One for years. My favorite bit was when he said George Bush was the devil and he could still smell the sulfur at the podium at the U.N.

    I'd sooner invest my hopes and dreams in a cantaloupe.
     
  11. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    I find it funny Hugo's death has been completely overshadowed by the passing of Paul Bearer.
     
  12. Jebus

    Jebus Background Radiant
    Orderite

    Jan 29, 2004
    Five or six years ago, they should've done a reality show where Berlusconi, Khadaffi, Chavez, Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong Il all shared a house or something. Imagine the crazy, dudes. I would've given BOTH my kidneys for a chance to see that.
     
  13. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Even Fidel Castro should be invited to the reality show, Jebus. He's a mighty fine figure!
     
  14. Makta

    Makta The DICKtator

    Jul 29, 2010
    For some reason the first thing that came to my mind was "We must have Bush too!" :D
     
  15. G-Man

    G-Man First time out of the vault

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    Mar 11, 2013
    The truth is that Hugo Chavez's death was a great loss for the people of Venezuela and Latinamerica as a whole.

    Hugo taught us to believe in the unity of Latinamerica and reveal against imperialist domination of the U.S. and European countries, which have done so much damage to the south for more than 200 years.

    He was truly a man of the people and for the people.

    I recommend you all seeing the movie "South of the Border" by Oliver Stone. It shows the process of political change that hit the region in recent years and has contributed to the strengthening and development of Latinamerica, both economically, politically and culturally.
    Also, the movie shown the distorted vision presented by the Northamerican media about South American leaders, calling them dictators and "populist", basing their remarks on prejudice and ignorance.
     
  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    EL IMPERIALISMO YANKEEEEEEEEE.

    LOLS.
     
  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Telling you a secret here.

    All politicans are that way. Some are just simply a bit better at hidding it. And others (US president) dont even need to really hide it.
     
  18. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    And Hugo Chavez was very much Populist, he took power away from a democratily elected president, PUT HIM IN JAIL, reworked laws so he could keep getting re-elected, put journalists in jail, liked to spread rather xenophobic ideas among other things.
     
  19. G-Man

    G-Man First time out of the vault

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    Mar 11, 2013
    I do not know if all the politicians are the same, I do not like to generalize. Concepts such as "dictator", "populist" and even the classic stereotype of a "politician" are ideal types that often do not correspond 100% with the reality and are only used to get an approximation to it.

    I believe that the rise and persistence of a politician in power is the result of a specific historical process, with particular socio-cultural characteristics, which should be taken into account in the analysis, in order to have a better understanding of the matter.
     
  20. G-Man

    G-Man First time out of the vault

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    Mar 11, 2013
    Chavez came to power after winning elections, in fact he has won so many elections that I've lost the count. He must have been one of the most democratic presidents in history.

    It was the people who elected Chavez to rule over them and also it was the people who decided to amend the Constitution through a referendum, so the process enjoy of complete legitimacy.

    The concentration of media in Venezuela is atrocious, there are 111 private channels in the hands of the opposition and only 13 state channels. Journalists often work as political operatives and often engage in illegal practices, such as espionage and information theft. Journalists that fall imprisoned aren't anything special.