Is NV too much NCR-Sided?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by gongos, Nov 25, 2010.

  1. gongos

    gongos First time out of the vault

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    Nov 25, 2010
    Hello! I just registered and wanted to participate a bit on the fallout talk. Anyway, one of the issues I had with FO NV, after completing my third run, the Legion run, is how poor legion side is compared with NCR.

    In fact, it is a bad idea to become an enemy of NCR early in the game, you miss A LOT of quests. You run into NCR early in the game, and you pretty much run into them on every corner of the map. Even at the strip.

    Whereas, with Legion, you barely get two quest outside the Fort, and one of them is "go and spread the word"... it's actually part of an NCR quest. The other one is destroying Fort Hope, but when you compare it to the mutually exclusive quest from the NCR side, NCR version has more tasks and it is simple better. Legion just sends you to kill them, with little dialogue and or support.

    After you get to the fort, you get like 2 side quests. One repairing the cannon, which is a stupid one. The other one leads to the plot at Camp McArran to bomb the tram. This one was better, but hey, guess what! At that point, NCR hated me so much that there was no way to actually do that quest beyond convencing some Omerta's thug to leave the girl alone. And when I attacked camp McArran, I couldn't even free the prisioner there.

    Furthermore: companions. Cass is with NCR. Boone hates Legion, and is also NCR sided. Veronica will join you, but you eventually have to clear out the BoS chapter. And, unlike with NCR side, you can't arrange a truce. However, there is no exclusive Legion companion that hates NCR so badly.

    It seemed to me the legion side was a bit rushed, and many potential ideas to exapnd and work with weren't finished.
     
  2. Black Feather

    Black Feather Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 10, 2010
    I want Vulpes Inculta as Follower.
     
  3. gumbarrel

    gumbarrel It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Oct 18, 2010
    Yes.

    And Raul is supposed to be the pro Legion dude, but i don't think he hates NCR.
     
  4. gongos

    gongos First time out of the vault

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    Nov 25, 2010
  5. Threepwood

    Threepwood Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Nov 4, 2010
    I was going to make a topic on this myself.

    For one 90% of the map is hostile to anyone clad in Legion armor, you can't say, go to your house in Lucky 38 to get supplies, dressed as Legion, without being bum wrapped by NCR.

    Most followers will desert you if you choose to help the Legion, and the Legion camp has very little of interest there, you can fight three people in the arena (excluding Benny) but even that option is denied to you if you're a female PC.

    There is no real Legion owned land, leaving the Fort fast travels you to the Cove, which is really dissapointing, so much space on the map, completley un used.

    Furthermore, the NCR actually has perks to it, the radio for example, heck i loved walking around with a couple of NCR guys with me, it was pretty good and helped me roleplay my NCR PC. Why can't the legion have something similar? Like, flares, or beacons for example.

    Why one want my final battle to be alongisde half a dozen axe weilding twats, I do not know.

    No Legion followers, no Legion territory, constant attacks by others if one wants to wear the faction armor, hardly ANY Legion quests, no benefits, no real reason to side with them, and they're overtly evil.
     
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yes
     
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  7. BarackSays

    BarackSays It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 18, 2008
  8. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010

    You baaaaaaastard, they were my brothers man, brother's in arms, and you killed them you sick bitch I hate you damn it, why god why!

    Ergghhhhhm, anyway. I found that aswell I found it very hard for me to find actual deep information and back-story for the legion, although everywhere there was quests for the ncr, and loads of terminal digs for them as well, so yeah, hopefully after dead money they will release a grand canyon dlc.
     
  9. MasterOfPuppetsOrMutants

    MasterOfPuppetsOrMutants First time out of the vault

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    Jul 28, 2009
    This is why they shouldn't have cut Ulysses from the game
     
  10. camil2003

    camil2003 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 28, 2009
    Yes.. Yes so much..
    I had installed a bunch of mods so I could improve the legion, spread them out and the like.

    The one flaw I saw that transferred from fallout 3 is that the legion just like the enclave are overly evil and painted as the evil faction which makes them incredibly retarded in the way they fight and do things. With characters like artumn it was pretty painful to have no choice in the matter of who to side with but the salt in the wound was moments like in broken steel where the enclave have their own orbital laser they could have used but just didn't for no reason.

    In Vanilla it made me wonder how the legion was considered a thread as I didn't see it.
     
  11. Thomas de Aynesworth

    Thomas de Aynesworth Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 9, 2010
    First time you encounter NCR: good soldiers trying to defend their position from evil deserters and criminal scum that have taken over Primm.

    First time you encounter the Legion: the king of bad-assery Vulpes Inculta has just massacred a town and strung the survivors up on crosses to be Bark Scorpion food.

    And just think about how much later it is that you can actually get missions from the Legion. Game is horribly NCR sided.
     
  12. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008

    :lol:
     
  13. Thomas de Aynesworth

    Thomas de Aynesworth Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 9, 2010
    Wow, I hadn't even noticed that I wrote that.
     
  14. camil2003

    camil2003 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 28, 2009
    I would prefer the imperial legion to the NCR.

    Now the situation in primm would have never happened if the legion was on the job.
     
  15. Hroesvelgr

    Hroesvelgr First time out of the vault

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    Oct 29, 2008
    I haven't played through as Legion yet but I was worried about this. It's disappointing to hear that there's so little to do if you run with the Legion, but I guess I will just have to make my Legion guy my character who runs amock destroying the lives of everyone he meets.
     
  16. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Yes, and the citizens of Primm would be really grateful for being enslaved and/or killed by the Legion instead of the gangers.
     
  17. camil2003

    camil2003 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 28, 2009
    Not talking about the legion.

    I'm talking about the imperial legion
    the guards from elder scrolls oblivion.
    Those guards are super quick, uncorrupted and super strong.
    The only ones who would die are those who cause trouble and refuse to pay their fine or serve their sentence. :lol:
     
  18. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Ah, I never played Oblivion (well, tried a bit, but didn't find it interesting).
     
  19. Requete

    Requete First time out of the vault

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    Aug 9, 2006
    I didn't played Oblivion Vanilia neither but I did played Morrowind where you could join all organisations except 6th House and King's Halseth Royal Guard so Of course I got enlisted in my pro Imperial run. My combat experience told me Imperial Legion is as useless as NCR Army as I had to do all fighting myself. In fact NCR is Republican Rome the corrupt expansionist republic torn by internal conflict and overstreched. Kaiser legion is more like barbaric Chingis Han/Atilla horde of puritans larping Spartans. Imagine Romans don't using wine and w...s or Imposing "Higher Morality" on conquered people. And House is much more Ceasarian and charismatic than Kaiser Soze. Off go to kill House and Keiser who dared to order me the destruction of BoS. Yes Man ending will do this time.
     
  20. Faceless Stranger

    Faceless Stranger Board Drifter

    Aug 19, 2010
    The Imperial guards in Morrowind were tough as shit though..... argh... death sentence *shutters