Lonesome Road speculation

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Courier, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Yeah the hexagon does seem to be at the end of the "divided" part of the Divide, going from East to West at least. According to Ulysses he wants to "Show you what happened there" which I'm guessing is either a reference to something pre-war or what happened with the NCR company he was infiltrating.

    Edit: We also know that there's nothing at the Divide, just like there's nothing at the Sierra Madre and nothing at the Big Empty. :wink:

    No, the Old World rests at the Divide just like it rested at the Madre and Big MT, but rather than being graveyards of Old World misery like them the Divide is the last remaining hope of the brighter future envisioned in the Old World. Maybe the Courier will be the unwitting villain in all this, with Ulysses the hero? Ulysses protected the world from Elijah by sending him to the Madre, he definitely isn't a bad guy.


    Edit: I just laughed at the thought of someone at Obsidian reading this and going "Oh shit, oh shit, they figured out already?" even though I'm probably lightyears off from guessing what's actually going to happen.

    Edit: But if I am right you will all worship me as your prophet. :smugoticon:
     
  2. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    Yes I think you're right there, whatever is at the divide could be the big 'best hope for the world' thing, or the worst thing imaginable.

    Not sure sending Elijah was SUCH a good thing (i.e. the alternative ending in DM, the many dead 'teams' Elijah snared to break into the casino), although I suppose it was almost sending him to his death (which it is canonically).

    I suppose if your theory of the courier being a villain is correct, then it can justify why he would abandon the Platinum chip job for you (in hopes that it would kill you), but otherwise, I'm not too sure. We don't really know enough about him yet.

    (personally, I hope I can talk with him about all this, come to terms with each other, and enable him to become a companion that you can take back to the mojave)
     
  3. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    I doubt it's the worst thing imaginable or Ulysses wouldn't be drawing attention to it, especially if you're the bad guy.

    I don't think he planned for that, but the number of people killed was far less than if Elijah had walked free and all those people died because of their own greed anyways. That's why Ulysses said it was a "special kind of Hell", he let Elijah destroy himself with his own greed and obsession.

    That's possible seeing as Ulysses has a way of letting people destroy themselves (like Elijah), however I don't necessarily think Ulysses wants you dead. I think he wants to control you, because that's his obsession just like yours is revenge. He is the God to your Dog, trying to control the hunger and stop you from hurting yourself. I'll quote Dog/God's best ending,

    Which sounds a lot like your relationship with Ulysses. You're each carrying a message for the other and just like Dog/God only one can win; hunger or control.

    That would be like Dog/God's best ending I quoted above in which they "combine" together. :wink:


    Edit: Actually I'm pretty sure that he doesn't want you dead, since I think he's the one who programmed Victor's personality and put him in Goodsprings for him to save you years later. Victor's house in Goodsprings does have an "old world flag" hanging on it. :wink:

    Maybe Victor was a little something he put together for you during his trip to the Big Empty? There was literally no reason for Victor to be in Goodsprings other than to save your life, House didn't put him there since he was there long before House had even sent his securitrons out on the Strip and House had no idea you would be intercepted by Benny near Goodsprings, while Ulysses did. So for some reason Ulysses wanted you to get intercepted and lose the chip, but he didn't want you to die. While House might have had control of Victor, Ulysses was the person who put him there in the first place.

    Edit: I just checked the dates, and Ulysses would have had to been loyal to the Old World long before the first battle of Hoover Dam in order to put Victor there. Maybe he was a triple agent acting as a frumentarii disguised as a NCR soldier when he was loyal to the Old World the whole time? He might have just needed a way to get to the Divide in the first place and used that whole thing as a cover.
     
  4. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    Dude, I hope your theory is correct (and what I personally hope will come to fruition) :)

    It almost seems as if certain elements and characters reflect Ulysses/Courier in some way (in the DLC's I mean), although maybe that's just me.
     
  5. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    I'm not sure how Victor fits into this but I'm 90% sure Ulysses had something to do with him. We don't know enough yet for me to figure out how he fits into everything though, all I know is there's a big Victor shape hole in this Ulysses puzzle and he'll fit in it somehow.
     
  6. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    I think people read into a victor a bit too much. He reads to me of a lot more of a sort of Cut Content issue than long-buried-DLC-Sleeper-Agent.

    And like I said, I doubt any securitrons on House's Network are put anywhere he didn't intend for them to be, and if one popped up out of place he'd probably be down right suspicious of it. I wouldn't be surprised if Victor was tampered with by Ulysses or something similar, but considering that Victor's Personality is also on the robots that House has in his penthouse, I'm pretty sure House created Victor. Not Ulysses. If Ulysses did, Victor wouldn't refer to House as 'boss' either.
     
  7. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    I don't know, I guess I just suspect Victor to be involved since he just screams "there's something important about me" for the first half of the game, then becomes a glorified elevator operator for the second half of the game.

    Plus the ties with the Big Empty, the platinum chip delivery job that Ulysses turned down, his house having an "old world" flag on it, him being the first securitron in the Mojave (a few years before House started sending his out to take control of the script) just seems like it should add up to something significant.

    Edit:
    That's the thing though, he was in Goodsprings before House had even sent his other securitrons to take over the Strip. If House put him there, why was Goodsprings so important as to send one securitron out years before the rest to keep an eye on it? The Platinum chip was years away from being discovered. Plus we know that Victor did have a human owner (more human than House) living in Goodsprings at one point, sometime before Trudy showed up. Victor definitely came from the Big Empty since House wouldn't open the Lucky 38 for one securitron, so what's so special about him that he got sent from the Big Empty to keep on eye on Goodsprings for years? There's more to Victor than meets the eye, whether it's cut content though or something that will appear in Lonesome Road is anyone's guess though. Keep in mind that Ulysses was cut content as well since his storyline was confusing and was almost a separate plot.
     
  8. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    Hmm not too sure that Victor did come from Big MT, I always assumed that Mr House, upon his first waking up, sent Victor there to monitor the area, and sent him specifically because of his personality (making him more capable. That and when you talk to Johnson Nash, the job regading the chip was hired by Victor.

    However, there is the issue of the massive flag pinned to the outside of his shack...
     
  9. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    When exactly did Victor get sent out? Didn't he send out his securitrons like twenty odd years ago? Considering that first battle of Hoover Dam was in 2077, it's 2086 or something now, and House had them out when he first saw NCR scouts (presumably with some Securitron scouts (Victor?). Afterwards he parked Victor in Goodsprings both to keep an eye on the town and also to watch the road since it's the 'short' way into vegas.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if the timeline is a little off, again, because of cut content.
     
  10. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Victor has been living in Goodsprings since 2266, but his memory from everything before that has been wiped. House opened the doors of the Lucky 38 and began to send his securitrons out to take control of the Strip in 2274. Either House thought there was something really important in Goodsprings (more important than Hoover Dam and the Strip and Novac and Primm and Nellis and pretty much everywhere else apparently) that needed to be kept an eye on for years before he took control, or Victor came from the Big Empty. We do know that Victor had a human owner other than House who lived at that shack in Goodsprings, but he disappeared sometime before 2274 which is when Trudy moved to Goodsprings (and the year House took control).
     
  11. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    when I talk to Victor, he claims that he's been in Goodsprings since 2066-ish, which is before the NCR arrival I think. (he was there before the human residents arrived).
    Not too sure of the accuracy of his statement though... after all he was hacked/lost his memory/keeps some information from you
     
  12. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    I'm thinking Ulysses... or some other presence (with regards to the American flag). Enclave remnant?
     
  13. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Here's a timeline related to Victor,

    2266 - Victor moves to Goodsprings with his unknown owner, everything from before that has been wiped from his memory for unkown reasons.

    2266-2274 - Victor's owner goes missing, Victor stays in Goodsprings.

    2274 - Trudy moves to Goodsprings.

    2274 - House begins to send his securitrons out to take control of the Strip.

    2277 - First Battle of Hoover Dam.

    2281 - Victor hires seven couriers, six decoys and one to deliver the Platinum Chip.

    2281 - Victor saves the Courier's life after he is ambushed by Benny.
     
  14. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    and then ominously follows you.
    On my first playthrough I was REALLY suspicious of him, wanted to kill him but I knew it would probably screw me over. Of course, that all changed when I found out it was House assigning him to watch over me- then he became 'cool'
     
  15. Knight Captain Guido

    Knight Captain Guido First time out of the vault

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    Jul 21, 2011
    Ulysses/Lonesome road speculations

    One of my speculations is that the quote from Ulysses “The day I set my flag down, it’ll be over my body or over a nation I believe in” could refer to a traditional fallout moral choice and if the divide is indeed a western style showdown between the Courier and Ulysses then I think you may be able to either talk him down using speech in Legate Lanius style thus "Giving him believe in the nation” or with the other option if you cant talk him down or don’t want to you could kill him referring to “over my body”
     
  16. vakapyro06

    vakapyro06 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 21, 2011
    Re: Ulysses/Lonesome road speculations

    Yes this is along the lines of what i'm hoping to happen.
     
  17. Ophiuchus

    Ophiuchus It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 18, 2010
    Didn't Obsidian say a character from FO3 would be returning in a New Vegas DLC? It hasn't been mentioned in a while and obviously that character didn't show up in DM, HH or OWB.

    *prays for an 18-year old MacCready*
     
  18. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    Maybe Ulysses is the Lone Wanderer?
     
  19. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    *Prays it's not Three Dog, Moira Brown, or Liberty Prime*

    Yeah that's true though, unless they decided to cut the character then s/he hasn't appeared yet.
     
  20. Ophiuchus

    Ophiuchus It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 18, 2010
    Wait! Maybe Ricky is the Lone Wanderer! It makes perfect sense!

    Courier is probably right, however. The VA cast release information doesn't mention a single FO3 character. So unless "The Dad" and "The Kid" are FO3 chara--oh God...