Planetary Resources

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Atomkilla, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    Yes, i am trolling here, not the guy who is against any evidence, reason, logic and contrary to the studies of the whole scientific community arguing that there is gold and rhodium on the moon. Thumbs up.
     
  2. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    el pagano, it is mainly your attitude. nobody is claiming there to be rich, fat veins of gold on the moon.
    even YOU aggreed that there could be faint trace elements.
    and trace elements can be gathered.
    if there is the money and the will to do it.
     
  3. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    Gold and Platinum could exist on the moon from impacts with other space bodies. Have you seen how many craters exist on the moon? I suppose none of those contained any elements of note right? We haven't done any extensive digging on the moon, so it is fair to say that we don't know EVERYTHING about it. Speaking in absolute certainty about something like that is absurd. Give it a fucking break dude.
     
  4. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    Yes, and the other posibility is NO, like the 99.9% of at least half-sane scientists say. Also, maybe the whole solar system is rotating around the Earth. Do you also wanna argue the heliocentric system? It's possible.
     
  5. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    what the hell do you mean by "NO"?

    explain yourself in detail, instead of just making stupid accusations, nobody is suggesting the sun revolves around the earth.

    NO the moon has not been hit by asteroids ever?
    NO asteroids do not contain anything of value ever?
    NO residue from asteroids do not remain on the celestial body it impacts, but instead dematrializes?

    you are being _extremely_ adament about things that _nobody_ can be adament about.
    you keep refering to the scientific community, but you come off as a religious priest yourself.
    not even scientists are as adament as you are, and those who are are often looked down upon by the rest of their community.

    people are merely suggesting the _possibility_ that asteroids contain elements of value that remains on the celestial body it impacts - and you say "NO!"
    you make absolutely no sense.
     
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    not to mention I have no clue which scientists he is talking about since he did not provided any kind of link or research except for this one wiki article that has not that much to do with the point we discuss here.

    But yeah. 99.9% of the scientists are on his side because HE SAYS SO! I guess we should simply accept that.
     
  7. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Bringing the heliocentric system thing into it is just you trying to derail the validity of what has been said thus far. 99.9% of the scientists you mentioned don't exist.
     
  8. eom

    eom Vault Senior Citizen
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    Feb 16, 2004
    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/479/1

    The Moon […] would seem to be an unlikely place to find PGMs: the collisional process that formed from the Moon left it mostly devoid of heavy metals. However, Wingo makes an ingenious case for finding PGMs on or near the lunar surface, in the form of debris from asteroid impacts. While conventional wisdom has argued that impacts of large asteroids would vaporize most of the impactor, modern computer modeling has shown that a significant fraction of an asteroid impacting the Earth would survive in some form. In fact, some major sources of PGMs on Earth, such as Sudbury in Canada and sites in South Africa, have been linked to asteroid impacts. The Moon’s lower gravity would mean slower impacts, making it more likely that significant portions of asteroids could survive. PGMs mined from those impacts could meet the fuel-cell needs of the Earth for centuries; the mining process would, in turn, also generate other metals like iron and nickel that could be used for settlements on the Moon and beyond.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/401227.stm

    By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

    The most detailed study of an asteroid shows that it contains precious metals worth at least $20,000bn.

    The data were collected last December by the Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (Near) spacecraft which passed close to the asteroid Eros.

    It provided an unprecedented look at one of the mountains of rock that fly around the solar system.

    The first conclusions from that encounter are now published the journal Science.


    Near, which due to a computer malfunction will not be able to go into orbit around Eros until next year, revealed that the asteriod is shaped like a 33 km by 13 km by 13 km banana.

    Over a thousand images of Eros were transmitted back to Earth that allowed scientists to estimate its size and mass. The results are startling.

    Gold mine in space

    Eros is believed to have been formed from the wreckage of a collision with a larger body. Its composition appears to be similar to the stony meteorites that frequently fall to Earth.

    That means Eros is a goldmine in space, as well as a platinum mine, a zinc mine and many more minerals besides.

    If Eros is typical of stony meteorites, then it contains about 3% metal. With the known abundance's of metals in meteorites, even a very cautious estimate suggests 20,000 million tonnes of aluminium along with similar amounts of gold, platinum and other rarer metals.
    In the 2,900 cubic kms of Eros, there is more aluminium, gold, silver, zinc and other base and precious metals than have ever been excavated in history or indeed, could ever be excavated from the upper layers of the Earth's crust
     
  9. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
    Modder

    Sep 14, 2009
    Love comes in many shapes... :roll:
     
  10. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    Plaease, provide me with any evidence that there is anything of value other then helium-3 and water on the Moon. Please, show me that "special one" who says there is freakin gold and rhodium on the Moon.
     
  11. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Please, provide me with evidence that there ISN'T anything of value on the Moon. Obviously you haven't watched Transformers 3.
     
  12. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    No one says theree isn't. As i've already mentioned, there is the helium-3 and water, but that is pretty much it. Go and be my guest, show me a reputable science article about possible Moon mining that suggests different.
     
  13. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005

    http://www.rareearthelements.us/lunar_kreep

    http://www.space.com/9250-mining-rare-minerals-moon-vital-national-security.html

    http://www.huliq.com/12092/titanium-moon-resources-spark-new-space-race

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...are-minerals/2012/01/30/gIQAqHvUuQ_story.html


    When we run out of certain things on Earth we have to look elsewhere. It may not be feasible right now, but think 100 years or so. "Rare Earth" elements will be a lot harder to obtain in 2015 according to one of those articles. Nothing too credible, but it isn't so far fetched. There is a lot more on the Moon than helium-3 and water, but believe what you like.
     
  14. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    :lol: You are digging your own grave. This first one says absolutely nothing about the posibilities to mine either gold or anything similar to it. It only suggest at the faint fraction of a posibility that there are some REEs and even then in the end says this.

    "So, in answer to the question: Can we profitably mine the moon for REEs and ship them back to the earth to sell? No. Rare earth oxide concentrations in known lunar ores do not support it, even at the level of conjecture, and our current understanding of lunar geology does not predict the existence of substantially more enriched ore deposits."

    So lol.

    This second one says absolutely the same thing as the first one, nothing about gold, platinum, anything of sort, only some vague guessing that there might be some REEs. Read the quote from the first one about those REEs and their viability. Oh, and did i mention, the writer of this "article" did not hear about capitalisation.

    Surprise, once again, the same. This one just suggests that some data is indicating there might be titanium there.

    And once again, this one talks about helium-3 and the posibility of some REEs. No gold, no platinum, no nickel or nothing even remotely resembling it. Oh, and this one even has this picture...



    ...but sadly, says nothing about dem goldz and platinum on the Moon. :(
     
  15. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    you are getting cought up in the "gold and platinum"

    the only thing people suggest is that the moon is a place where resources could collect. and obviously - obviously - it is. because its a big body of matter - in space - with a gravity - and contact with countless other bodies-of-matter-in-space. it speaks for itself.

    the only reason you keep protesting is cus you have dug yourself too deep to simply gurgle up a little admission of defeat.
    thats all you have to do, you dont even have to go all the way, here let me suggest how:

    insist that you actually thought this argument was specifically about gold and platinum.

    "im sorry guys, i thought this discussion was particularily about gold and platinum! my bad!"
     
  16. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    Uhm, that's what i've been arguing about since the begining. I mentioned the viability of things like helium-3 in my very first post. The whole time i was specifically arguing the Crni's post about gold, platinum, rhodium etc. Go back a page or two and read that's what the original argument was about. Pay attention.
     
  17. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Digging my grave huh!? :) I said the articles weren't entirely credible to begin with, but the notion is not as outlandish as you make it out to be. I never intended for those articles to be damning proof of massive amounts of Gold and Platinum, merely evidence that the notion has been considered, isn't entirely feasible, or likely at this point in time, but may be in the FUTURE. The POSSIBILITIES are there. Sure there probably isn't a lot of Gold and Platinum on the Moon, but we can't really say for sure TBH. It comes down to speculation which neither side can prove or disprove. We find new things on Earth every day and we have been here how long? So you are telling me that it is impossible for the Moon to have valuable materials besides the ones you already listed? The truth is we don't know, but you act like we do know. I am not say anything is for certain, but it is fucking possible. I'm not saying we should mine Gold on the Moon, or that it would even be a good idea. If REE were on the Moon that would be a potential spot for conflict in the far future if we really needed them badly.

    If we exhaust our supplies on Earth where else are we going to look? Hmmm let me see...how about extensively searching the closet planetary body! Nah the Moon probably doesn't have anything but Helium-3 and Water. Let's go check Mars first. ;)


    Sure it is a bit unrealistic now, but I'm not so sure what the problems of the 23rd century will look like. The Moon's core may be made out of Molten Adamantium for all we know. :wiggle:
     
  18. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    So, after backpeddaling the articles you provided by yourself because they proved my point instead of yours now your main argument is BUT MAYBE SOMEHOW POSIBILITEZ. Nice.
     
  19. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Debunking huh? Wow. Now this is getting interesting.

    My initial comment was that Gold and Platinum COULD exist on the Moon. My point was ALWAYS that the POSSIBILITY existed, and could be pursued in the future. REE could also be there, and that would be pretty valuable. Never anything beyond that. Thanks for keeping me entertained. This is great.

    Backpedaling really? If you read the post to begin with you would see that I mentioned that the articles were not entirely credible, but the notion has been considered quite a bit. Once again I never claimed damning proof either way. You act like you know for certain about this shit. Fucking ego will get you every time. You think you know something for sure, and BAM you don't know shit, and your world is turned upside down.

    You win dude. Gold, Platinum, Titanium, and various REE could not possibly exist on the Moon. It is so fucking improbable that anything could be mined from that planet EVER!
     
  20. El Pagano Loco

    El Pagano Loco It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 28, 2012
    What notion? What possibility? Even the articles you provided yourself mentioned no notion or not even any shred of suggestion there might be gold or platinum there. For fuck's sake non of them even had the words "gold", "platinum" or any mention of anything like it in them. The fuck are you talking about?