Project Van Buren

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Hardboiled Wanderer, Jul 10, 2018.

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  1. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012

    He doesn't want to comment on WL2/3 but he highlights Van Buren.
     
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  2. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    I mean Wasteland 2 and 3 are pretty much their own things, I don't quite understand the comparison to Fallout. Aside from the post apocalyptic setting (which is in detail still a lot different) and maybe some cross-references in Fallout and Fallout New Vegas, they have nearly nothing in common, mechanically nor design-wise. And don't get me wrong, I loved both WL2 and 3, I think InXile did an amazing job building upon the legacy of the original Wasteland and established itself as a very cool franchise that stands out in various ways (for me, it's modernized tactical combat, humor and 80's references). But comparing Wasteland to Fallout or even implying it as a sort-of sequel to the classics... eh, no, doesn't work that way for me.
     
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  3. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    Agreed!

    It's a bit fascinating that Chris choose to even answer a question like that. It seems he's feeling really nostalgic for what could have been (and hopefully will be ;-) ).
     
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  4. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    Apr 24, 2016
    Yeah I mean it's kind of weird that he completely ignored WL and switched towards Van Buren this way, despite the fact he worked on WL2 (and initially even on WL3 I think?) and most would expect, you know, at least a word of appreciation for a title he's credited for. Interesting indeed.

    As for what might be in the future, I wouldn't hold my breath for it neither, but that's the dream ;-)
     
  5. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Everyone likes Van Buren because all we know about it comes from overwritten design documents. The "real" Van Buren would likely have been cut down 50% or more and half the people here would shit on it because of ugly 3d models and animations. At this point it's really just a nice dream.
     
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  6. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    I think Chris' way of putting it says it all - it had so much potential. And that's precisely what Van Buren is - a design with great potential.

    Whether BIS would be able to hold up with that "overwritten" potential during its execution or not, that'd be merely a speculative discussion of no value.

    It's better to believe in a potential and what it can result in rather than distrust it based on how bad it could be executed.
     
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  7. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 7, 2015
    I think this is correct and insightful, but my guess based on the design documents would be whatever the case, it probably would be better liked than Fo2
     
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  8. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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  9. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Not Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    A few tweaks away from it's own IP.
     
  10. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
    If this dude actually finishes it, they honestly should just do a "Fallout inspired indie RPG" instead so they can ask for money. They're gonna have to put in a lot of work to finish what Van Buren is so if they can just make it far enough from the source material in any legal manner then I'd say they should. Sure they could take donations but making a game that can be listed on Steam and GOG and herald itself as another Fallout like RPG would likely bring them more revenue for their efforts.
     
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  11. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    That would be true if I cared for revenues. The thing is - I don't. The goal isn't to please my greed, the goal is to make something I believe deserves to be made.
     
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  12. SquidWard

    SquidWard Pirate and Bankrobber oTO Orderite

    Jun 1, 2018
    Fair then. Godspeed and thank you for your time that you dedicate to this.
     
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  13. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Not Not Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Greed usually finances making things but good for you man. Good luck.
     
  14. Morgan_

    Morgan_ Duckerz

    Jul 3, 2020
    Pretty neat seeing someone make something of this size out of shear interest and drive.
     
  15. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    Apr 24, 2016
    Only labor is making things.
     
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  16. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    This is pretty dedicated!

     
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  17. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    The base system was there for a while, I figured it out almost a year ago from the function names I found in the demo's binary. Combined with in-game analysis, it's quite apparent how it all works in the background even though I can't see the original code.

    Details like animation queue being separated from logical actions and the rules governing animation interruptions were much harder to find but I did spend that time anyway, risking a possibility that their implementation is not final/could be temporary.

    My sick obsession to emulate everything aside, I just believed that the various levels of abstraction in game logic would lead to a solution like this. Furthermore it seems as an elegant enough solution to maintain system design and visual presentation, which is always a challenge in real time systems.
     
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  18. Hardboiled Wanderer

    Hardboiled Wanderer I'm just here for the guzzoline...

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    Apr 24, 2016
    Also, I assembled a very basic turn based combat logic. It's still buggy as hell but it's a start nonetheless.
     
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  19. RedneckHax0r

    RedneckHax0r Born from rust, and firing on one cylinder.

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    The work your doing is truly an inspiration.
     
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  20. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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