Trump wins

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    You're more than capable of checking the articles what not yourself. I'm not here to spoon feed you.
    They're not "meme pictures", they're what those """""news"""" publications feel is up to their standards and the point is that people take these places/people as legitimate news sources when they're filled with such glaring and obvious contradictions and retardation.
    I've seen plenty of people here cite these places as credible sources which these images clearly show is false.
    Just saying.
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Look, I am not saying that you're 'wrong', but people pushing their agenda isn't necessarily a lie but simply spreading a shitty opinion where people read those over and over again in their little filter bubbles of confermation bias. - Which is something that we all tend to do, at least sometimes, and some people like right wing nut jobs and extreme leftist SJW's tend to do it more.

    Saying that someone has a shitty opinion or that they are lying are simply two different things. That's all I am saying.

    I have no doubts that there IS lying, including the mass media, like CNN, Fox, BBC etc, but this is hugely exagerated, not only by shills like Cyenk but also by the likes of Breitbart or Infowars, for obvious reasons, the more the mass media is loosing on ground particularly trust, the more viewers and of course influence and money can someone like TYT or Breitbard gain. I personaly think, that it simply happens that many of the popular news today, are simply not as well informed and spend much less time on fact checking correctly.

    As like Jordan B. Peterson a tenured research and clinical PhD psychologist once said, everyone has a motivation in what they do, and I think that is something that should be always keept in mind. Particularly when we talk about something that is as serious like accusing someone of outright 'lying'. It's not like all the mass media sits around some table in a dark room at a hidden undergrond lair like villains, where a few individuals purposely try to controll the world opinion trough lying.

    A healthy dose of scepticism is of course always a good thing, particularly with the mass media, but at some point it simply becomes irrational. Beacuse if you can't trust them, then you really can't trust ANYONE when it comes to informations, unless you have really seen it by your self.
     
  3. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    On a scale from 1 to 10 how painful was that to type?
     
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  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Did I ever disagreed with you on the fact that there are some seriously shitty people on my side of the political spectrum?
     
  5. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    TBH, if things were reversed, knowing the kind of man Putin is, do you honestly believe he would allow any other nation to challenge Russian supremacy? A man like Putin simply is not satisfied with getting by. He pulled Russia out of a shithole but also pushed it into a very nationalistic path. His lamenting of the SUs breakup, which gave many nations their autonomy back, SHOWS, what he has envisioned for Russia.

    Let us replace Russia with China for example. China is still throwing a goddamned tantrum over a civil war that ENDED over 50 years ago. China also has a very tragic history that has given the government plenty of excuses to point the finger at outsiders. Fuck internal problems when you can constantly remind people how China was just shit on by others. Also conveniently forget to mention that China did its fair share of shitting on others and went weak by not modernizing and adopting the same tactics the west pioneered.

    Europe was in a situation where MANY countries were economically and militarily equal. France, Germany, GB, Spain, HRE, etc. And we also had WAR, lots and lots of WAR. The serious kind where MANY died. This wasn't war by proxy that we have had recently, but total war with nations on equal footing. Europe was embroiled in over 1000 years of war since the fall of the dominant hegemon that kept order throughout the land. This war culminated in two, IMMENSELY destructive ones, costing untold amount of lives and neutering the continent for good.

    Europe could have had peace and still remained dominant to THIS DAY, had the countries united or atleast formed some kind of alliance/euro hegemon superpower. But no, the nations rulers acted like fucking children, and we have Europe of today.

    Hippies and kumbayah sounds good on paper and in theory but it goes against the human need to compete. When a grouping of humans achieves a certain size, things change. Instead of sharing, it becomes an 'us VS them', mentality. Don't take my word for it, look at the history books. Since the times of the first empire in Mesopotamia to now, war has been a staple in human history.

    Will we get Star Trek/Terran Empire on day? Sure, I believe so. But that requires stability, as Crni has pointed out in previous discussions. In order to advance science, we need peace. So fucking what if that peace has America at the helm? Peace is peace. There will always be a pecking order and some will always get the shittier end of the stick. This will NEVER change. All we can do is accept it and move on.
     
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  6. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Of course not. It's just that unlike America, I actually expect him to do a good job. The US is doing shit as the world's police and so another nation should get the job. If we need a hegemony, let's have one that doesn't alienate one half of the world and then turns a blind eye to the other half's bullshit solely because their allies.

    I know right.

    But in all seriousness, how the fuck can you expect the widely divergent European powers allying with each other, when they had massive ideological, nationalistic and cultural differences. They're not like the US where there's only one power worth mentioning, Europe had several that conflicted with each other. Describing them as fucking children is absolutely retarded. How the fuck would Stalin trust Hitler (we saw how that went)? How the fuck would any meaningful democracy feel sharing a union with Communists and fascists? What about the strong nationalistic movements that divided Europe? Basically, the union was never gonna happen. The only reason it did occur was because the US and USSR raped Germany (literally for the latter) and took over the role of superpowers leaving Europe to be the place of so-and-so nations.
     
  7. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Uh what? Europe could be a global power NOW. If they decided to, the current world powers could do FUCK ALL to stop them from doing so. It is more like Europe simply does not want the job. It is too expensive and they love their current system too much to trade it for global power.

    Russia would be more of the same old thing, if we follow Putin.

    See, the funny thing is, without Putin, Russia wouldn't pursue such grand ambitions but WITH Putin, he offers more of the same. This is the age old problem with those who want power. Those who do not want it have too much morality to tell others what to do, AKA Europe. Russia and China do not have such qualms, but their desire for power makes them no different than the U.S.

    A Russian or Chinese hegemon would operate the same if not worse thanks to the absolute power of those regimes. You can get rid of Trump in 4 years, 8 max. You are not removing Putin or the CPC unless they want to go or a revolution comes and weakens the country while kicking them out..

    A Russian/Chinese hegemon will see those countries make alliances. Those favored allies will have their interests handled at the expense of those countries on their shit lists. It is HUMAN NATURE. Africa will still be preyed upon. Instead of the U.S., a Chinese or Russian empire would have to deal with the same old bullshit in the ME as those two countries want essentially the same fucking thing the U.S. has now. To think otherwise is rather naïve honestly.

    When there is a will, there is a way. They may not have to agree on ideology or religion but they can say no to TOTAL WAR. FFS, even proxy warfare is better than total war. Europe had a golden age with picking on the brown peoples until the powers that be got too greedy and thought the colonies wouldn't be enough.
     
  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Please explain how they would achieve world power status NOW.
    Firstly, you know what really is naive? Expecting Europe before the WW2 to become allied or stop fighting each other, especially when you have literally NOTHING to support it but 'Meh, magicz?'. Anyway... perhaps they would be but the thing is that we don't KNOW. They could indeed be the exact same as you say, but they could also be forceful or more final (by that I mean no half-hearted style Afghanistan or Iraq campaign where the US comes in, fucks shit up and... kind of does nothing to solve the problem). Who knows, as we see from Syria Putin doesn't belief in half-hearted support to his middle eastern allies when in a conflict.
    So... basically you have no reason apart from an extremely vague statement that says fuck all and can be used to justify anything in any argument.
     
  9. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Oh look The Huffington Compost.

    "Islam" and "promoting women's rights" in the same sentance. :lol: They treat their women like shit, if these insane feminists want to promote their garbage they should first understand what they're talking about and then pursue Islam in order to better the lives of women there.

    OSU terrorist "I love America" he says as he proceeds to run over people with a car and attempt to carve people up until someone puts his ass down.
    >Doesn't like these stereotypes circulating around in the media about his people.
    >Proceeds reinforce those "stereotypes" by attempting to murder as many people as possible in OSU.
    But liberals in the media call this "pointless gun violence" due to the fact a police officer saved that University and how he was a victim. Fucking what?
    With Muslims it's always about being Islamophobic no matter what as said by the SJWs and their buddies.

    Maybe if Black Tantrums Matter and third wave feminism didn't affect our lives in some way we wouldn't give a shit and ignore it as the inane dribble it really is but no thanks to things like the MSM, game journalism, Anita, Zoe Quinn, games promoting this shit like the gone home, BG EE from Beamdog, etc.
    The amount of times I have to see things like the words "Reasons why X is Misogynistic", "Why games are sexist", etc in article titles just irritates the shit out of me as it's like they have nothing better to write about. Game journalists talking about how guns are dangerous, why women are treated like sex objects when they are suppose to write a damn review about the fucking game is just annoying. Everything has to be politically correct with them.
     
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  10. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    You know, every time I see someone try to defend a terrorist by saying something like "Oh, he was a patriot! He loved America, I have noooo idea why he'd do this you guise!" it reminds me of this scene from "Captain Phillips."

     
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  11. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Form a euro army. From there on, decide to actively intervene in global affairs. France and the UK both have nuclear weapons. If Germany wanted to, they can easily become a nuclear state. I mean if N. Korea can tell our president to go fuck himself and make nukes, so can Germany. But ignoring the nukes, yes, if Europe CHOOSES to do so, they can intervene as a global power. No amount of laughing changes this fact.

    If Trump follows through with his promises to gut NATO, then this is even more of a possibility.

    As I said before, they had it made profiting off of colonialism. I will give you that war may not have been avoided but TOTAL WAR, could have been avoided. War between the colonies, sure, but leave the primary nations themselves intact. There is always a choice.

    The SU pulled regime change stunts in Afghanistan. They were embroiled in a war that was asymmetrical in nature. Putin, by your own admission, doesn't do things half-assed and believes in brute force. So again, how would Russia be all that different if they were in charge? Russia wants something they say no, Putin proceeds to punch them in the mouth. Swap Israel with Palestine. Swap the Saudis with the Iranians. Either way they get to deal with AQ. ISIS, who knows? Most likely a different version would rear its ugly head as the Russians would have no problems obliterating any resistance to their rule, AND, by such brute force, create more terrorism.
     
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  12. Kremin

    Kremin Guest

     
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  13. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    LITERALLY
     
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  14. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Ugh the Washington Compost. It's like they don't know what the hell they're talking about...oh wait they don't.
    MSM still as unreliable as ever, when looking for some form of credibility you won't find it there. I guess those jobs require you to take bribes from people like Killary and spout libtard garbage.
     
  15. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Because they suck.
     
  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
  17. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    If Russia didn't suck the Soviet Union would still be thing and China is nothing but 4000 years of non-stop sucking broken up by decades of soul crushing sadness.
     
  18. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Chinese history is hilarious. Remember when millions of them died in a civil war cause a guy said he was Jesus' brother?
    Or when pre-industrial China declared war on almost every single major European power at once?
     
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  19. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Or when they lost to Japan because instead of buying ammunition and rifles they used the money to build a fancy house.
     
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