Trump wins

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Or when they desperately tried to stop a British introduced drug trade that was ruining the nation and weakening it but failed because Britain was more powerful? Stupid Chinese.

    Why don't we move on to Japanese history, where pretty much every important stage of their history was kickstarted by the Americans. With Commodore Perry forcing them to open up and westernize, American mercenaries (and German ones) teaching the Japanese to make a modern army, American ships being used as models for the Japanese navy and of course America's brief occupation after WW2 which resulted in Japan creating anime. Stupid Japanese.
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Dude, are you trying to project your leftist liberal blame-whitey-for-everything propaganda on them while they try to explain how shitty the other nations are?

    I mean ok, ok, neither muslims nor Soviets started the last world wars, concentration camps or colonialism, but still ... I mean ... WHITE GUILD! IS NOT OK!!!1111
     
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  3. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Are you getting extremely ass ravaged because someone jokingly said something mean about a non-White country for once?
    Right. Moslems merely jihaded their way through former Christian centers of learning in northernern Africa and the Middle East, in between pillaging coastal European nations they tried to invade Europe multiple times, even getting as far as Rome at one point, developed one of the most brutal slave trades on the planet (if you think European slavery is bad (Europeans by the way, are the ones who fought to END slavery) moslems typically would just castrate their slaves and that's not even getting into the rampant sex slavery that went on), were so notorious for piracy the United States had to declare war on them and are now constantly fighting eachother today.
    But nah nigga none of that matters because of WW2 where the evil White devils were so bloodthirsty they all decided to fight eachother at once.
    >What is the Russian invasion of Poland
    >What are the Gulags
    >What is the Russian expansion into places like Afghanistan
    Well meme'd my friend
    I hope you openly defending the Soviet Union of all countries does not make you look very good when you argue for leftist policies lol
    Ah yes the horrors of colonialism. An exponential growth in technology, hygiene, production, culture and standard of living for peoples who were still living in mud huts. Man I fucking hate White people.
    Tell me, now that the White devil has left, how are those former colonial nations doing now?


    Right, instead we should spend out whole lives puckering our asses to everyone everywhere because of the "crimes" (whether they be real or imaginary) of our distant ancestors because clearly the sin of the great-great-great-great grandfather need to loom over our heads constantly.
    Please ignore any crimes that were committed by other races only White people should feel shame and don't you dare criticize or poke fun at the histories of other peoples REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
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  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Oh yeah, the whole US declaring war on the... Algerian sultanate? I don't know, one of those North African Muslim nations... anyway, the same one where they were tricked by the Sultan multiple times, before their great navy was beaten and commander disgraced. Luckily they were beaten in subsequent conflicts.

    EDIT: I will admit, I think I exaggerated here, but I have a book on the subject (one that I can confidently name to prove that it does indeed exist) which talks about the matter).
    Umm... Crni specifically said that they didn't start WORLD WARS not regional wars. I hope you not paying attention to what he said does not make you look very good at all. Though I will admit, the Gulags are basically concentration camps. Also, Russians are technically white, unless of course you believe in being white a weird sort of genetic/cultural thing rather then literally having white-skin.
    Umm, thing is... a large part of the colonies weren't even in Africa, but nations that had their own kingdoms, armies and cities, not to forget culture and art. Saying they're all mud huts is stupid and frankly dishonest. But yeah, Colonialism in part did lead to better living conditions... unless you were in the Congo. That was some fucked up shit.
     
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  5. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    What the hell are you talking about?
    I'm talking about the Barbary Wars where the US Marines proved themselves by taking Tripoli and was such a triumph it's still in the Marine Corps hymm.
    It was a complete and total victory for the United States and it's amusing you're trying to paint it as a crushing and embarassing defeat.
    Are you forgetting that the Soviet Union was in World War II or something? Hitler literally invaded the Soviet Union as a preemptive strike because Stalin was preparing to do the same to him. Your precious Soviet Union wuznt gud boys who dindu nuffin.
    How embarrassing. Not knowing basic history of a country you spend half your political posts masturbating over does not make you look very good at all.
    Russians aren't "technically White" they ARE White. I don't get why Crni separated them from White people in his post lol.
    Not to mention him refering to "moslems" as if they're a race and not a belief system.
    Almost all of Africa was under European control. A large part of the colonies were in Africa. And it's not like others suffered either. In India there was slavery widows were still being burned alive until the British told them to knock that shit off.
    Not when talking about a majority of Africa....
    Or would you like to educate about that rich Zulu culture than spawned a mighty empire?
    And now that it's over how is Africa doin?
     
  6. Kremin

    Kremin Guest

    I don't get the point of that shit. I don't have to apologize for something my ancestors did or didn't do, either in self-defense or whatever.
     
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  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Historical evidence plz.
     
  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I know, they did extremely well and I even said that luckily the US won the wars and stopped the rampant slavery, and piracy enjoyed by the Barbary pirates. But the beginning of the war didn't go too well, what with the Philadelphia running aground and being captured, which was one of the US's best ships at the time. It was destroyed thanks to the Marines, who were able to sneak up and fight their way to the ship. The rest of the war (first Barbary war) didn't actually stop piracy, but it set the grounds for the wildly successful second one. So no, it wasn't a complete and total victory (well for the first one anyway, it failed to really achieve it's goals).
    Actually, I've revised my opinion. I think that he did indeed plan to invade Germany, but that has no bearing on the beginning of World War 2 because Hitler had other reasons to invade Russia and it's doubtful that Hitler was trying to protect Germany from the Evil Empire. So ultimately, the beginning of WW2 has no connection to the Soviet Union especially because it began on the invasion of Poland. Here's a wikipedia article (I know, I know. If you want to know more, follow the citations) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy#Reactions_and_critiques.

    Finally, may I ask how a plan to invade Germany before the Germans invaded the USSR=USSR starting World War 2?

    EDIT: Oh and Hitler did not invade the USSR because they were going to invade him. There's no evidence he knew that at all AND there's a lot more to Barbarossa then Hitler deciding to hit first. He wanted their natural resources, land and the eradication of Communism.
    Agreed, that was kind of weird. Don't you hate it when people act as if the Muslims are a race?
    It depends on what year you consider. Together, the colonies in North America, South America, India, Asia take up more space then in Africa, but fair enough. During the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century most colonies were indeed in Africa.
    Firstly it depends on what you mean by culture. Secondly I was referring to India, parts of Asia and Afghanistan (wasn't always a terrorist ridden hellhole). Also, parts of North Africa, South America and some of the African coasts (kingdom of Mali and all that).
    That might be also due to the destructive nature of the various revolutions and take overs that led to African nations becoming independent. Not every African nation is a poverty ridden fuck up.
     
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  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You're a we-bit to easily triggered here. I was toying with the concept of 'The SOVIETS are the empire of evil!', and the fact that Russia is like the natural enemy of Europe/the West, despite the fact that over the last 100 years Russia was pretty much well ... attacked by the other European powers. From Napoleon, to the German Empire and the Third Reich, not to mention the many more or less smaller conflicts here and there, where the Brits, French or other nations clashed with Russia. Don't get me wrong, I don't have very high opinions of Russian politics, they did some pretty fucked up shit in eastern Europe and they definetly had no problem with backing up proxy wars and forcing changes in foreign governments, Tito knew why he wanted to keep the Soviets out of Yugoslavia.

    But I simply feel that it is somewhat hypocritical to condemn a nation for something that you do as well. That's like telling someone drinking is a bad habit, while you beat your wife or something.

    No shit! It was somewhat pretty progressive trough the 1960s and 70s before the Soviets decided to fuck it up ... and the Saudis decided to send every fucked up radical shit head over there that could hold an AK47.


    Same for Iran, before teh Brits and the CIA fucked it up ...
     
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  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I was talking about Afghanistan during the 1800's and earlier but yeah, Afghanistan was basically our Vietnam, where we had a long drawn out war that we fucked up, resulting in a hellhole. Though I did like my stay in Vietnam...
     
  11. Supreme Shah Ismail

    Supreme Shah Ismail Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 17, 2016
    I really don't want to dig into what already seems like a shit fest of a thread.

    That said I honestly could care less about the President despite living here in Atlanta. Neither particularly interested me however I do lean left far more than I do right.

    My only concern is war or increased sanctions with Iran. For starters it is my country and I value being Iranian above any other nationality or regional background.

    Secondly because the war would be disastrous. I'm not saying Iran would win (they could) but it would be hollow victory for the Americans if they did. It could escalate into a far larger global conflict because of Iranian allies and enemies. It could affect Oil because of Iran's major presence and control in the gulf (they literally control the point in which oil comes in and out) It would devastate yet another country in the region opening the way for more terrorism and finally Iran is not Saddam's Iraq. Iraq during the Iraq war was a fragile dictatorship devastated by 8 years of war with Iran and the failure of invading Kuwait. Even at the height of Iraq's power it was unable to invade Iran (which at the time was unorganized after a revolution)

    Hopefully it doesn't escalate into war. But further sanctions and Israeli/Saudi dick sucking would just be annoying.
     
  12. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    CIA didn't vote in a theocracy. Just sayin.
     
  13. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Nope, they supported an extremely unpopular Shah that resulted in widespread dissent and the rise of a theocracy.
     
  14. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    Sounds a lot like the American election.

    The point of history is to learn from it, not repeat it (nor attempt to correct for it). You guys can sit here and play "who threw stones first" well into the Bronze Age, and it would be entirely pointless.
     
  15. Supreme Shah Ismail

    Supreme Shah Ismail Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 17, 2016
    Its abit more nuanced than that. The Shah was more or less in firm power but with the loss of territory from the empire in the 19th century and westerners meddling in our affairs the west was viewed untrustworthy and rightly so. So as the Americans and British further pushed their agenda's in Iran the Iranian people got fed up and pointed fingers at the Shah. Not saying the Pahlavi's were perfect but they did a lot more for the country then westerners and some Iranians think.

    Not to mention the fact that its been a British imperative to limit Iran's power since the 19th century so its not entirely out of the question. Why have a major economic and military power in the region when you can have gulf lap dogs sucking your dick?
     
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  16. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Oh wow you live in Georgia too?
    It already is tbh
     
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  17. Supreme Shah Ismail

    Supreme Shah Ismail Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 17, 2016
    Yeah I moved here 5 years ago from Canada.
     
  18. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Neat, although I couldn't imagine actually living inside Atlanta itself.
     
  19. Supreme Shah Ismail

    Supreme Shah Ismail Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 17, 2016
    Oh no I leave nearby not in the city.
     
  20. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    This is why I like you.
    Basically, I should have said they strongly supported the Shah, which led to the Shah being unpopular due to being supported by the west, resulting in the rise of Ayo... Ayotolla... umm, the theocracy.