Impressions thread for negative impressions

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by 3rdRate, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Public

    Public Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    May 18, 2006
    You need to download this Veoh thing (and register too I guess), and then you can download it by this program.
     
  2. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    It seems that the video was removed from VEOH as well.

    You should try to upload it to rapidshare or megaupload. Also, try Megavideo.

    Youtube is really full of sh*t. This whole thing is a fcking conspiracy. I suggest you write to their support to ask why the video was removed.
     
  3. Kashrlyyk

    Kashrlyyk It Wandered In From the Wastes

    172
    Oct 18, 2004
    I have no problem accessing it.
     
  4. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    Hmm, I get "we are unable to load the video at this time".
     
  5. Daimyo

    Daimyo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Orderite

    Oct 26, 2007
    Played fine for me.
     
  6. cratchety ol joe

    cratchety ol joe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    480
    Sep 2, 2008
    vid plays fine as of time [this post].. sorry it took so long to get online! but yeah as was said this is a rather large nail in the coffin.

    for further info, while making this my laptop was laggy as nuts as well, so here's the run down of things I 'overcame' to kill those 3 raiders;

    1: game on hard mode.
    2: no weapon other than my fists.
    3: vault armour (which lets face it is shite)
    4: laggin compy due to running FO3 and FRAPS.

    as for number of stimpacks about 20 in total if I recall... I'd say that's a pretty big burn on FO3.

    Any other requests? (i.e. things that 'might' be achievable in the game not just "yeah do the whole game naked and only fists")
     
  7. Idiotfool

    Idiotfool Still Mildly Glowing

    220
    Apr 12, 2007
    Out of curiosity, I tried this concept, myself.

    I think I'm around level 4 or so. I believe my stats are: 1 Str, 9 Pe, 1 End, 10 Ch, 8? Int, 5 Agi, 5 Luck. The perks I've chosen have been the three tiers of the perk that gives a boost to xp earned. Tag skills were Barter, Speech, and Repair. I've put pretty much all my points into barter and speech. I've named my character Gimpetta, as that's what she is.

    I plan on skipping all of the bobbleheads and, although I may collect books, I won't read them. Too many skill points might overcome my character's stat weaknesses. I'm also going to try to play an insanely evil character since they're usually more difficult to play.

    So far, I've escaped the vault, disarmed the bomb in megaton after convincing the mayor to pay me extra and I've just about killed everything in the Super Duper mart with a baseball bat and the bottlecap mine I found. I think I've used around 6 stimpacks the whole time. I did drink from fountains more than a few times while escaping the vault, though. I've died twice to stupid tactics, but I still wouldn't call this game very hard.

    I'm not sure if I could record this with Fraps, as my computer is pretty old. I'll give it a shot, later, though.

    I'm testing to see how much RPG retardation FPS player skill can overcome. So far, the verdict is "quite a fucking lot". I'm still undecided if I'll use ranged weapons or not. I probably will, but I'll hold off and only use them when melee is out of the question.

    Should I get a companion or no?
     
  8. Public

    Public Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    May 18, 2006
    So, I think the stats don't matter in game, or enemies are too weak. But then, they would need to be very week! Did you try to kill them with let's say 5 ST and 5 EN, or highwe? See how fast you will kill them with the same combat and compare it both.

    I've downloaded it, you want me to upload it somewhere else? ;)
     
  9. Kashrlyyk

    Kashrlyyk It Wandered In From the Wastes

    172
    Oct 18, 2004
    Oh, certainly: At what Charakter Level do you need to trash the charakter or change the difficulty setting, when fighting enemies of the same level? I assume that the enemies later are getting harder, especially when they get ranged weapons.

    This video actually gave me the suspicion that enemies difficulty is scaled not only depending on your level, but also on your skills and stats.
     
  10. Kashrlyyk

    Kashrlyyk It Wandered In From the Wastes

    172
    Oct 18, 2004
    Sorry, too late to edit my last post. But the issue showed in the video in this thread reminded me of this:

    http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yes. And people are surprised why some so heavily denny that Oblivion (or in this case Fallout 3) are RPGs. Or even if any very bad ones.
     
  12. Commiered

    Commiered It Wandered In From the Wastes

    194
    Nov 17, 2008
    The whole point of RPG character development is to develop the skills of the damn character so that he gets BETTER at things. It's hard to accurately simulate percentage hits and misses and critical failures etc. in an FPS way, but if you can't do it then don't try and make a damn FPS RPG!
     
  13. Idiotfool

    Idiotfool Still Mildly Glowing

    220
    Apr 12, 2007
    I always thought that having a very loose reticle would've been a good way to do it. I.e. your view doesn't change, but the point of impact floats around in space. The higher your skill, the tighter the grouping area of your reticle.

    I'm not sure if player skill could overcome this system, but it's better than ALWAYS hitting.
     
  14. Roflcore

    Roflcore Mildly Dipped

    581
    Nov 2, 2008
    If you get Jericho (which is pisseasy) their is even less to fear. Nothing I'd say. At your current setup a deathclaw might be able to kill you, but thats about it. Every other enemy should pose no threat to you. And with Jericho even a Deathclaw is no threat. So no if you want to hold on to whatever difficulty their is.
    Personally I don't see the point of a low stats char, because their is barely any quest that can't be solved by violence. And violence is very easy even with a non combat character. So whats the point? Proving that F3 is worthless?
    I'd spent my time on something else.
     
  15. gummy

    gummy First time out of the vault

    7
    Nov 10, 2008
    You should try to get every companion possible in the game and manage to get them all killed in battle =D
     
  16. cratchety ol joe

    cratchety ol joe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    480
    Sep 2, 2008
    It may be worth noting (in my vid) that while my character has an unarmed skill of 9 my VATS to hit was 90% as opposed to previous fallouts where the 'aimed' mode calculated a % based on the characters skill % and the targeted part's % of likely-hood to be hit.

    as a base example;
    <blockquote>
    character has 50% in unarmed
    targets a head which has a 20% chance to be hit (as a comparison to hitting any part of the target)

    the percent to hit would be 20% of 50%
    this comes out as 10% to hit
    </blockquote>
    if I were to apply the same rough maths to my character in the video

    20% of 9% would be 2% (and that's if I round up)so, in previous fallouts my character would only have landed 1 hit out of every 50 attempts as opposed to the VATS maths (90%) which means my character hit 9 times out of 10. This, in comparison is 45 times more likely-hood of hitting!

    To sum up, no... the stats in FO3 mean feck all, my next 'test' i'll use console commands to set all stats to 1 and see how things go with what should be an impossible character.
     
  17. failout

    failout First time out of the vault

    50
    Dec 10, 2008
    I have played the previous games quite a lot, and I was prepared to accept that even if F3 isn't a good Fallout, it might still be a good game on its own. I've been playing for several hours now, and I can't believe how painfully mediocre, incompetent, bland and uninspired Fallout 3 is. Good thing I bought a used copy (which I will trade away next month).

    The writing and voice acting aren't just average, they are actually so bad that they call attention to themselves and take me out of the game. I like how the sheriff of Megaton immediately says something to the effect of "I like you, you seem like a really cool person" when you meet for the first time. If only the dialogue option of "get away from me, crazy person!" would have been available to convey my feelings towards him. What's that, stranger? You, a person I just met and know nothing about, want to attempt to disarm the live nuclear warhead in the middle of our town which will probably go off if you fuck up? Cool man, go right ahead (by the way, why is this a matter of demolition skill, and not science skill?).

    When I went to the bar and non-chalantly asked about the ghoul bartender, it was implied that my character knows all about ghouls (somehow), but when I actually talked to the guy I had options like "OMG WTF ARE YOU?!" as if my character suddenly knew nothing about ghouls. And then, if you act friendly, he thinks you're Jesus Christ because everyone else is a big meanie towards him, or so he says. If the townfolk hate ghouls so much, why the fuck do they have one as a bartender? And riddle me this Batman: why is it that Burke can murder the sheriff in plain sight of several witnesses without provoking even the slightest reaction from anyone, yet when I steal a plate everyone tries to kill me on the spot? What the fuck? Is the game controlled by some kind of dream logic?

    The character creating phase is excruciatingly boring, unnecessary and weird ("your mom is being ravaged from behind by a mutated cactus, what do you do?! Your answer could determine whether you become a doctor or a plumber!"), and at the end of each phase you still get to choose things from menus, so what is the point? I don't even understand the purpose of GOATS. Did they just add all that stuff because they thought it would be cool? The entire Vault segment is an excercise in pointlessness, and sets up the story by giving you no reason to care about anyone or anything.

    The face generator, while marginally better than in Oblivion, is still needlessly convoluted and still unable to produce a woman that looks like a woman. And what the fuck is going on with the hair options? Almost all of them are absolutely useless since they look like they were made as a joke by bored artists (no doubt sick of working on the game), and nobody bothered to include common and sensible hairstyles like a ponytail. Even if they had, I'm sure they would have looked just as terrible as all the other ones (like the mohawk that floats above your head). Maybe they should have asked BioWare for help, because this shit is obviously way beyond Bethesda's limited capabilities.

    Combat is awful. There's no tactical depth whatsoever, it doesn't feel satisfying to hit someone (no animations or other responses), the weapons sound and feel like they shoot peas and look like they were made for a 1998 game. Having to maintain your gear in good condition is just another layer of irritation that the game really doesn't need. Hand-to-hand combat is a joke, to put it mildly. The graphics are substandard, even with the settings maxed out, and the dull, monotone and unimaginative art direction is nothing to write home about. The Pip-Boy is a chore to use, the controls feel a little clunky, and it's also hilarious that you can't run down a slope without the character jumping. Animations are unbelievably shitty.

    I doubt I'll keep playing. There's nothing compelling about Fallout 3. But at least now I know for certain that most game reviewers get paid by publishers, because there's no way this piece of shit would get 92/100 on Metacritic otherwise. I don't know if it's funny or sad that Penny Arcade Adventures is ten times better than Fallout 3.

    All I could think was "wait a second, who is Jonas?"
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am really interested to see that !!! :shock:
     
  19. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    During my playthrough, I offended, then patted him on the back, then shot up a bunch of people in the bar and returned. The ghoul got confused. His first line was "please don' shoot me", followed by "how are you, friend" =)))
     
  20. Idiotfool

    Idiotfool Still Mildly Glowing

    220
    Apr 12, 2007
    With my low low low hitpoints, I am actually starting to pay for my stats. I'm around level 7, now, and I find that I'm frequently reloading due to deaths. Raiders at a distance weilding hunting rifles are taking away almost 2/3 of my health a shot.

    Meleeing ranged opponents is still yawn-worthy if I get them in range, but those who respond with a lead pipe are proving difficult. I don't believe I'll be able to beat mirelurks without mines.

    I'm not sure how much further I'll be interested in playing.

    Edit: Ol' Joe: you should bump your level up to 20, as well. I'm curious to know if higher levels are more exacting.

    Also: are you going to play on very hard or hard?