Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Bu ... buu .... buuut ... KNIVES!
     
  2. KingArthur

    KingArthur I Drink Your Milkshake

    Jun 25, 2018
    Nobody say shit about knife control in my presence, my knives are almost as important to me as my dogs.
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    London is famous for his knives though.
     
  4. KingArthur

    KingArthur I Drink Your Milkshake

    Jun 25, 2018
    Is it considered a terror threat to say I’ll stab London?
     
  5. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    European countries have leas people over all so it also makes sense to say they have less pieces of shit that abuse the system and make it look bad per capita as well.

    And yea more guns means more gun issues, no duh. But it also means that every good thing doesn't come cheap. Unlike you euros who have all but capitulated to the nanny state, we muricans still retain our fuck you to the system attitude. We really dislike just handing our rights away to the government because some fuck face has no idea that the 'assault', in assault rifle comes from its selective fire, or that he is clueless in gun knowledge and doesn't realize banning stupid shit like types of grips is asinine. Need I speak of the stupid shits who are scared of 5.56 yet are fine with .223?
     
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Uhm. The European Union has like 500 Million citizens. And it's smaller than the United States ... so. Germany for example is also very densily populated. I think the question on gun violence is very complicated and definetly not just about guns alone. But the size of the population isn't the issue here when comparing Europe and the United States. The US in particular has become a very deeply divided nation economically speaking. Much more so than Europe.
     
  7. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Im not talking about the EU but INDIVIDUAL nations.

    If you judge America as a SINGLE nation than so too must you judge Germany, or the UK, or France alone. Social systems between nations vary greatly in operation and management.

    Germany has 83 million. If we say 10 percent, that is 830,000 dipshits.

    USA. 320 million. 3,200,000 stupid fucks. That is a 4 fold increase my friend.

    And as to violence. Yeah, I have always said that you euros are nicer, have more manners. But again, you also butchered each other in unfathomable numbers for over a millennia. This culminated in two WORLD WARS. Even afterwards, both the UK and France still harbored hegemonic ambitions.

    No wonder you euros have kind of just thrown in the towel. Just toe the line and be good worker bees. I hope we murricans never end up like you folks if the cost of getting there is global mass murder over 1000 years.

    The only time a price like that is worthwhile is achieving global unity and not a euro dick swinging contest. You euros had your chance and failed miserably. Time for some new blood.
     
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  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I still don't think that's helpfull. Because then you can go and compare the individual states with european countries. California with Spain or France or Texas with Germany. I don't know. Pick and chose what you like/don't like. Some areas in the US are densily populated. Some are not. Same is true for Europe. Besides it doesn't matter if we talk about 30 Million or 300 Million. Violence and crime are violence and crime. And it's not like europeans are the "better" people compared to americans. And from my experience we are also not light years away in how we deal with things or the cultural differences making us alien to each other. We are all human beings with the same basic needs so to speak.

    I mean sure there are differences and they do play a role. But when I look at the US society as a whole? I think a lot of the issues can be directly traced down to the pressure that you experience in your society. Like when I talk to americans? You know asking what it is like in your country, damn! I could never image to live there. Shit health care. No real social security. Shit job security. It's like a neoliberal dreamland of market radicalism. It's no surprise to me that you have such a huge opioid crisis and gun violence. People must feel constantly in angst or threatened to loose everything they own. Be it to someone else (crime) or because their car broke down or some medical bill throwing them in to the gutter while society tells them they have only themself to blame and no one else since every "hard working man/woman can achieve the american dream!".

    Fuck. If I was living in the United States I would probably be alrady dead when I see how you treat mental illeness for example.
     
  9. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    I guess we agree to disagree.

    Like how I asked you or any of the euro folks here to find me videos of the euro equivalent to our loud, obnoxious, double standard, lefties. You couldn't. Why? Because your culture IS different and the same with your mind set. Of course the nanny state mind set brings with it a better standard of living as the culture makes your peoples much more subdued. Europe and europeans seem much more hive like than us assholes in America. In europe, its the go along and get along. Its more don't whine and bitch all the time and less about screaming me me me. The very idea of socialism is that the individual is less important than the group whole. Sharing the same culture and racial makeup only helps.

    Europe talks a lot about being welcoming until the immigrants look more brown and less white. It is no surprise that after letting some migrants in, most euro countries started closing borders and developing very xenophobic tendencies.

    https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...-and-across-scandinavia-are-no-longer-welcome

    America

    And yet people keep wanting to come here. People are willing to die to come here.

    Those same weak sauce libs who complain about America are often the same soft folks who would defended the communist utopia while living in the land of plenty.
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    But ... I ... did :scratch:



    MLDP wahlwerbung - YouTube

    The Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany (German: Marxistisch–Leninistische Partei Deutschlands, MLPD) is an anti-revisionist Marxist–Leninist political party in Germany. It was founded in 1982 by members of the Communist Workers Union of Germany (Kommunistischer Arbeiterbund Deutschlands; KABD).

    The MLPD advocates for the establishment of a seizure of power through the proletariat, overthrowing current capitalist relations of production and replacing them with a new social order of socialist orientation. It sees this as a transitional stage to the creation of a classless, communist society. In doing so, it refers to the theory and practice of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. It rejects the terms "Stalinism" and "Maoism" as anti-communist fighting terms that divide the Marxist–Leninist movement. Whilst criticizing particular aspects of the political works of Stalin[2] and Mao,[3] MLPD openly defends those works,[4] standing in contrast to most left-wing groups in Germany.


    Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany - Wikipedia

    Stupid students being stupid students storming a lecture from a politician which was invited by a university as speaker ...

    Christian Wolfgang Lindner (born 7 January 1979) is a German politician, member of the Bundestag, and leader of the liberal Free Democratic Party of Germany (FDP).



    There is also a debate about Gender here in Germany as well.

    Or those "crazy" people which are fighting with the police, right now quite viciously even :



    Berlin: Rigaer94 calls for international solidarity – destruction of our space expected

    - February 15th, 2021
    After the eviction of the anarcha-queer-feminist house project Liebig34 on 9th of october 2020, the offensive of state and capital against self-organized structures in the northern area of Friedrichshain and other parts of the city did not cease. The Liebig34 is since then under the control of the owner and the presence of his gang had also an affect on the local life. The so called Dorfplatz (“village square”) lying directly in front of the house was during the last months less used by residents and visitors as a common space and saw some minor confrontations with the invaders. With having taken one of the strategic points in the area and in the same time removing a political obstacle, state and capital could focus on the Rigaer94, which lies just some meters away from the Dorfplatz and has been a constant topic in the medias over the last year.


    Berlin: Rigaer94 calls for international solidarity – destruction of our space expected (squat.net)


    I guess those people didn't get the memo ...



    Dude. Seriously. The US and Europe are not THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT different ... except that we have actually leftist politics here. 99% of your "left" politicans would be moderate conservatives here.
     
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  11. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Ok you found some, mostly recent. Floyd somehow pissed off many in europe although I don't really know why it would be now instead of 2 or 3 years ago. I mean in the last post I asked for examples, all I got was the communist lady in Germany.

    And we are different clearly as you euros managed to make socialism or dem socialism to work. The American culture and mindset is clearly different as socialism is still seen as shitty, precisely because most of those who support it are often un informed idiots.
     
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Dunno. Some of it is not that recent. MLDP was around for ... decades? It's just that no one takes them really serious like with having less than 1% of any votes. But idiots? Idiots have been also around for a long time. Hamburg G20, Rote Flora or the Chaostage (Chaosdays). And other european nations have similar imbeciles fucking shit up now and then. And I say that as a leftist. It's just that in America no one really reports that shit because no one in America cares what happens outside of America really.
     
  13. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    What did Europe fail miserably at? I'm confused. Just make it harder for schmucks like felons, or the mentally disturbed to get guns. it's weird that mass shootings keep happening as they never used to. Copy cat morons continuing an unfortunate trend. Not sure gun control would do it. How many of these were cases of guns used obtained illegally? A few iirc. We could do better on the issue, but I'm not sure how much we can do in some of these cases.
     
  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    My guess? Nothing will happen on this issue. It will take a whole new generation to change something like no clue 50 or 100 years. You had some deranged psycho storming an elentary school and killing more than 20 children with a rifle. If that didn't lead to any change than nothing ever will.
     
  15. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    This will sound horrible and it's not a position that I'm dedicated to necessarily, but should we really restrict guns all that much because some deranged person got ahold of a family gun and did that? Should we really allow extremes like this to have us change our laws in such a way? It was horrible, but the bigger issue with guns is the day to day violence and how we tackle that as opposed to crazy one offs that have gained popularity for whatever reason. I'm not sure there is much we can do if some family has a moron for a son. Not allow them to get a gun because little Jimmy's a fucking retard?

    Gun control in some form is needed, but it will be hard to get a good policy and then pass it nationally. I will admit that I don't know what that looks like. We could look at Australia and Europe for ideas.

    That being said....


    I wish this gun was real.
     
  16. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Morgan

    See, Europe IS different. Maybe it was all the monarchies. Maybe all the war and killing. Maybe the mass colonialism. Maybe time after time, Europe had the chance to try to make a more peaceful world, create a U.N. that worked, consolidated power into two super states instead of 5 plus major powers. Maybe their government put something in the water. Last joke aside, probably a combination. Instead of creating the united states of europe vs the east or us of africa or the east, they just fucking failed

    Everything gets old eventually. I think the europeans just got tired. Tired of fighting, tired of failing at making a more peaceful world. Say what you want about the Soviets or America, WW 2 was the LAST world war. Compare that to the short span between WW1 and WW2. The Euros just fucking gave up. Yes to the government dole. Yes to the nanny state. Fuck spending money on defense, they got America for that. Same with world policing. Why not just retreat into their own ethno state shells and make life good for europeans only? Sure they give up rights like guns or over regulate. Sure you got big government. The greater good for the whole over the individual right? All may get sacrificed on the road to socialism.

    Why stand up when its so much more relaxing to sit or lay down?
     
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  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You know ... up to this point you actually made some good comment. Name me one european country that's on the "road to socialism". Just one. Seriously. Do you even know what socialism is? I wish people would stop using words in a completely wrong context. It's the exact same with fascism. Everything is fascism for some. And everything is socialism for others. And then they act surprised when whole debates are polarised and politicised.

    European countries, the one in the EU to be more specific, are social democracies. Something completely different from socialism. And none of the EU countries is on a road to socialism. Infact quite a few EU nations have actually conservative goverments or even right-wing parties playing important roles. See Austria for example. Or the Dutch. With all due respect, because you're actually fun to have conversations with but to me it seems really like you have no clue about what's going on politically and culturally in Europe. And we're talking about things here that really are not hard to look up.
     
  18. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    Fun control

    Edit:
    DC really laying into the Euros today. Lmao
     
  19. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Ok dem/socialism, I am American.

    Regardless of whatever the hell you want to call it, do you deny that euros are more than eager to have big government? Do you deny europe is selfish im their isolationism?

    And no, as I have posted links about AoC, having services like police and fire is not dem socialism or whatever, if that is your retort.

    Fun control partly but more general apathy. The government will take care of us. The government says guns need super regulation so it must be good.

    Have not euros given up policing the world? Has europe not become much more isolationist?

    I am not trying to disparage euros. I am making a point. Their culture and mind set is different. They prefer whole over the individual, high taxes, more regulation,, bog government.

    That is my point although Crni really tried. to tell me we are not that different. Not really working.
     
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  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Those are pretty complicated matters. When we look at the development of the last 20 to 30 years nations like Germany in particular - I am not as knowledgeable about all other EU nations - have seen a degradation of the well fare state and privatisation of government-run institutions. Telecommunication and public transport for example but also hospitals and parts of the infrastructure. With the effect that we see less performance but increasing prices. It's quite complicated as we're looking at more than 30 years of neoliberal policies. "Free markets" as the solution to all and every issue have become a mantra-like phrase for a lot of liberal, conservative and even social-democratic politicans. One of the effects have been a partial privatisation of the state run pension with the effect that we're seeing more and more people ending up in old-age poverty. The erosion of labour-unions, worker protection and increase in temporary employment also lead to stagnatic wages while the cost of living are growing. Many people jokingly say Germany is "adopting" the American System ...

    I think what Euros "like" is simply stability. Particularly when it comes to economic issues and questions. There is a strong believe that the state is meant to be a player here negotiating on the behalf of the citiens. High taxations particularly on wealth with the intention of offering a strong and affordable infrastructure for the citizens. And it is no coinsidence that exactly those nations where you can find that have some of the highest standards of living and happiest citizens. See Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and a few more. Are they nanny states? Do their citizens feel less free? I don't think so, no. But as I said it's a complicated matter.

    When it comes to foreign policies well I am honestly not sure how you can call that isolationism "selfish" when we're looking at the recent foreign ... adventures by the United States. At the very least the last 20 years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syriah, Lybia and many other countries particularly in the middle east which have been either directly or indirectly affected by it. Germany has been present for the last 20 years in Afghanistan together with other NATO members and we have pretty much nothing to show for it. Infact there is the question what will happen to all the people there that actually supported our troops in Afghanistan. The moment the military leaves those nations their lifes will be in danger. And the current Afghan government will become meaningless and the nation ruled again by local warlords and the Taliban. Iraq is still a weak state and Syrah still in a civil war. While Syriah in particular is not entirely an issue caused by the United States but including nations like Russia, the foreign intervention by those powers caused more than 800.000 Syrian refugees to end up in Germany causing all sorts of political, cultural and social issues.

    There simply is a difference between foreign aid and military interventionalism. And yes many European Nations not only because of their history in colonialism but particularly due to the experiences of the second world war have become rather cautious when it comes to such things. Germany in particular. At the end of the 1990s we saw an increase here in military interventions and who would have guessed ... an increase in issues. And for what? What has been achieved really in the last 20 years when you look at it? Thousands of dead soldiers and who knows how many civilians in those countries.

    So yeah I would be happy if there was even more "isolationism" in that regard. If you want America to continue to play world police? Go on. But leave us Europs out of it - albeit we often enough still feel the effects when it comes to refugees.