Lonesome Road speculation

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Courier, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    [spoiler:c7fe4e8915]Graham apparently didn't know what he was talking about though, since he claimed Ulysses was a Legionary while Ulysses seems to think that the Legion is deeply flawed. [/spoiler:c7fe4e8915]
     
  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    He could be a Legionary while thinking the Legion is flawed, just like the Courier can help them and then stab them in the back.
     
  3. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Nah, his conversation with Christine made it pretty clear that he wasn't helping either the NCR or the Legion (or the BoS for that matter). He might have been infiltrating the Legion for some reason which could explain why Graham thought he was a Legionary, but he definitely isn't helping the Legion.
     
  4. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    Someone pointed out that the battle in the Divide doesn't necesserally mean Ulysses and the Courier will fight, and I am inclined to agree. I mean, at this point, the player would be the scourge of at least one major nation, survived a villa seemingly designed from the ground up to kill anything nearing it, fought off technological monstrosities including a giant robotic scorpion, and could even have killed the legendary Burned Man. I don't see Ulysses putting up much of an epic fight and topping these off, unless he has loads of backup, which seems unlikely based on what we know of him and the kind of place we meet. It's possible that we will fight along him, side-by-side.

    Other than that, I hope the DLC won't include illogically strong enemies. I mean, robots coming out of a state-of-the-art facility of mad SCIENCE! being tough to kill is OK, but tribals with anti-materiel rifles and more hit points than Centurions or Ranger veterans? There's a line to be drawn somewhere.
     
  5. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    Yes, this 'scaling' goes against the logic of the original Fallouts, where a level 1 character could go say hello to hardened Enclave troopers with Gauss pistols, 100s of HP and legal authority to riddle you with holes.
     
  6. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    I think the enemies (or possibly the allies) of this DLC will be the NCR soldiers who went missing going through the Divide on the way to Hoover Dam. Either that, or whatever sort of creatures they've become there.

    Maybe they went "missing" there because they never wanted to leave? The Divide could turn out to have some sort of secret pre-war underground utopia buried beneath it.
     
  7. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    With any luck a Huxleyan 'utopia'.

    But with more drugs.
     
  8. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Huxley did not write about Utopias. He wrote about dystopias, of which the wasteland already is one. A Huxley-dystopia would be an improvement over the current wasteland.
     
  9. Four Suited Jack

    Four Suited Jack It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 27, 2011
    In relation, do you know what I want?

    A new settlement in a DLC, like the Pitt in Fallout 3.

    I would fucking love it, it would give me a very good reason to stick around rather than F off after I did everything and took everything of value.
     
  10. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    What was there to do in the Pitt after you completed it? Even if you sided with the slaves, they just went back to acting like slaves.
     
  11. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    When I used the word 'utopia' I was referring to A Brave New World's seemingly brilliant World State utopia with a catch. A 'negative utopia' to use Huxley's own adage if you will, but a far cry from the Orwellian dystopia one typically associated with the word.
     
  12. Four Suited Jack

    Four Suited Jack It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 27, 2011
    I always sided with the raiders.

    Anyway, it's not really about what's there to do, I just greatly prefer city, town and settlement environments over wasteland ones.

    Also, city, town and settlement environments are better for how I role-play.
     
  13. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Which by definition would be known as a "dystopia" or an "anti-utopia".

    Yes "Negative utopia", "Anti-utopia", and "counter-utopia" all describe it. Never the word "utopia" alone, for that implies a perfect society. Several dystopian worlds masquerade as utopias, such as in Brave New World and Harrison Bergeron.


    How can you role-play without anyone to talk to or anything to do?
     
  14. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    Well that's why I used the quotations, to try and subtly imply a negative utopia. Your pedantry is unbecoming.

    Mea culpa for using 'utopia' with scare quotes.
     
  15. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    Or you could just say dystopia like a normal person.
     
  16. Filthyastronauts

    Filthyastronauts First time out of the vault

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    Aug 1, 2011
    The reason I don't think this would be the case is that it becomes some sort of wasteland legend, again pointing to Dead Money's ending. I definitely don't expect a battle with words to be remembered or felt by the wasteland, though I suppose other possibilities are out there.
     
  17. Ophiuchus

    Ophiuchus It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 18, 2010
    For Lonesome Road less characters would be a good thing; including too many characters would draw out the narrative too much, especially considering it's supposed to focus on Ulysses and The Courier.

    Just had a thought about Ulysses possibly masquerading as a Legion member: What if he infiltrated CL to gain access to the weather station at Fortification Hill? It makes sense considering his actions at Big MT. Throw in the obvious connection to the platinum chip and The Courier's involvement and the weather station might be another hidden in plain sight plot point, similar to the Old World flag at Victor's shack.
     
  18. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    That's exactly what I was thinking too. Maybe he knew Benny would ambush you and actually wanted him to for some reason? Perhaps hoping that Benny would deliver the chip straight to him at the weather station?
     
  19. inFamous14196

    inFamous14196 First time out of the vault

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    Aug 2, 2011
    Ulysses's obsession with "Old World" lore may also fit in with this cowboy specualtion thing as cowboys were part of the American Old World
     
  20. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    Yeah, I was thinking about this cowboy theme that people have been talking about, maybe that was why Ulysses lived in Goodsprings for a small amount of time; but I don't actually know when Goodsprings was founded so it's hard for me to tell on that one. I definitely believe that Ulysses believes in the possibility of the Old World coming back, evidence from OWB heavily suggests this, with Ulysses conversation with the scientists of the think tank and all that. Like his questions about how 'Nations could be made and broken', dangerous questions Klein had thought, which he was reluctant to answer.


    @Infamous: Sunderland eh? England i'm guessing, if so i'm about 6 miles south of you.