Quakecon 2015: Fallout 4 details

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by TorontoReign, Jul 24, 2015.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Something better would've been "We were 20 when we started... now just look around, we are barely holding on....".
  2. Chromevod

    Chromevod Nope.

    May 25, 2011
    The tiniest bit of hope that I've got is that companions will not be interested in romance with the character until some sort of questline is complete. Maybe karma requirements as well.

    ...It'll never be more than a five minute affair though.
  3. Vault17

    Vault17 Banned

    Jul 6, 2015
    While this game looks like a steaming pile of excrement that I'm not even going to pirate, can someone explain to me their opposition for a romance subplot in the (any?) game? Of all the things announced I thought that was a progression to the series - role playing the happier sides of life and the element of commitments influencing your decisions is something not too explored in gaming, and I don't understand why. Other art forms do it well, and do it tastefully.

    The number one argument I hear against it is "you don't actually feel the relationship so it's just hollow and false, i.e. a pointless feature". But it's not me, it's my character. I'm also not a psychopath that mass murders people on a whim, but sometimes my characters are. Why can't my character also fall in love with someone and have them feel the same way? It's yet another element to consider when making decisions.
  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Personally I am just against the feature in Fo4 because Bethesda sucks at writting and this kind of thing has almost become an obligatory one for RPGs thansk to Bioware (who also suck at writting romances). They will probably do it like the Willow companion mod does it and it's just about feeding them treats until they want to fuck you. In Skyrim the whole marriage "mechanic" consisted entirely of wearing a pendant and asking random people to marry you, they didn't explore rammifications of inter species marriages in the setting and the married character became a creepy stepford wife. I always say if you aren't good at writting romance just don't include that element in your story.
  5. jediexile

    jediexile First time out of the vault

    Feb 2, 2010
    Maybe she is a female Ghoul.
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  6. Vault17

    Vault17 Banned

    Jul 6, 2015
    Well, you're probably right. I guess I should take my insanity pills more often, for some reason I thought that it would be executed competently and in-depth, but it would most likely just be a reputation grind. I was thinking an expanded history system like with Arcade Gannon and Craig Boone that also included perks and heavy influence toward and away certain quest paths.

    But you're right, we're talking about Bethesda here. It will probably amount to a necklace made of depleted uranium slugs, since "the wasteland is so destructive people don't have time for traditional courtship" or some cheap nonsense.

    I'd take the opposite tack and say since Beth isn't good at writing ANYTHING they might as well include whatever they like since it will all be embarrassingly bad. Might be able to use your imagination and make more detail but still that's pushing it. I feel sorry for the people who actually will have to put up with the crap.
  7. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Go try out the so called "Romance" in Skyrim.

    It makes no difference and is actually quite weird. The weirdness can be excused, though, since Skyrim is fantasy and I am unfamilliar with the TES lore, but it really makes no difference except changed dialogue and your spouse somehow instantly becomes a merchant.

    Also, some of the.. hmm.. how do I put it? Ways to get married are weird. I should do more than just cut wood to earn the favor of a woman, for example.

    That link about QuakeCon shows that it is more interesting, but I am not really sure. I mean, on one hand, the meeting with the girl can be a normal meeting and then you'd be able to use your perks to sweet talk her. On the other hand it can be like "Hey, you saved me and brought me here, lets fuck!"
  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    As someone who loves fantasy I can assure you, its just bad writting on Beths side.

    Most probably you will have to buy them some amulet before they allow you to marry them. Collar for Dogmeat though.
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  9. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    Well, if it's anything like Mass Effect (which they're definitely aping from), there's going to be a lot of accidental romance.

    You know, because everyone knows that romance works by simply being kind to someone until they realize that they should have sex with you.

    Which is why you have to straight up tell them you don't love them, just seconds after they pour their heart out to you.

  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I can imagine the dialogue.

    Player: Ups! Is that my Dveller enterring your Vault right now!

    Accidental Romance achievement unlocked!
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  11. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Metro Last Light was actually quite funny that way.

    In the beginning of the game:

    "Hey, don't look at my ass! It's out of your reach."

    Mid game part 1:

    "I am so so sorry for leaving you, etc"

    Mid game part 2:

    "Lets fuck!"

    Obviously it wasn't like that, and it was MUCH more realistic than Bethesda's Skyrim marriage thingy (dunno about ME, didn't play it), but still.. pretty funny. What made it even funnier is how Artyom is just silent. (No, I am not saying it's stupid, just funny)
  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    In New Vegas you could fuck Benny by throwing some rather blunt and classless inuendo at him with the Black Widow perk until he got the weirdest boner of his life.... and then you could kill him in his sleep. That's the only romance I accept in Fallout.
  13. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 7, 2015
    What, no shot gun weddings?
  14. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    That was hilarious too.

    I wonder how he would die though. No gunshots, nothing. Did the Courier shove the lighter in his ass, like the Khans said?
  15. Askorti


    Jun 30, 2015
    I don't know, banging the neglected and chronically horny Mrs Bishop just to get to her safe is quite sensible too, don't you think? That's true post-apo romance right there! :D
  16. AnchorsAweigh

    AnchorsAweigh First time out of the vault

    Oct 7, 2012
    The (not so) funny thing is, that BioWare actually could, and did, write a very good romance plot in KotOR for Bastila and the player. I think it actually is the best written and implemented romance story in any RPG I've played. At the very least it is the most memorable for me. It felt natural and well integrated with the rest of the game's story, but still wasn't forced on you. Also, it never had time to progress very far, which is something I believe is important for it to work well in a game. However, these days when every follower and half the NPC's in a game need to be a potential love interest for the sake of Diversity (a total of 12 "targets" were mentioned for F4), nothing like that would even be possible, supposing the developers still were capable of good writing, which Beth obviously isn't. As for BioWare, I haven't played anything of theirs since the first Dragon Age, but the romance mechanics in it was anything but well done (like many other aspects of the game).

    Moreover, it wouldn't surprise me if F4's romance implementation turn out to be more simplistic and less in depth than in the Willow Companion mod -- Skyrim's sure as hell was. And that's still a fact even when factoring in that it's a lot easier judging a $20 million plus tripple-A title critically, than a mod a single person made for free.
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  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    @Askorti, and a chance to actually get a child, at least the game leaves it somewhat ambigous. I always love to imagine that the Courier is somehow an offspring of that ... conection, at least my courier was :look:

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  18. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    I think that that son is the same one who is chasing that singer at Novac. I think.
  19. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 7, 2015
    Plus, Nobark is the Chosen One.
  20. The-Artist-64

    The-Artist-64 "Set Phasers to Fun."

    Jul 19, 2015
    Nonsense, he was the Vault 11 survivor! Seriously though, why were there so many Vaults in New Vegas? Good lord, Vegas got TWO vaults (3 and 21 respectively) and all Los Angeles got was a demonstration vault, not meant to be used!

    My Courier, Albert, was the son of the Chosen One after he established New Arroyo. He isn't very popular in town nowadays, especially since he ran off and stole the holy Vault 13 jumpsuit. XD

    Imagine how awkward it was when Bruce Isaac said that he 'plowed' my half brother's daughter.